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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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we have gotten some incredible reaction

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to the last two episodes of the power

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cast we were celebrating our 10th

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anniversary of course we had two weeks

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ago a round table featuring people who

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had once been guest co-host of the show

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such as greg bishop and paul kimball we

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had gogs makai last week we had a

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listener round table with sioux

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and with ufology and with stoneheart and

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both by the way carried over to our

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after the powercast podcast which is

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part of the powercast plus and i'll tell

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you all about that later in any case

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chris i don't know if you know about

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this i got a letter from john greenwald

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of the black vault

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and he wasn't happy about something i

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said on the show

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now maybe we should just add him to the

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list because i get this from time to

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time but in this case it was about the

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brief time

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in which they posted the project blue

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book

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files and ended up being

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something that was i guess linked from

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another site or acquired from another

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site now there have been in the past

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project blue book posts online so you

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can go online

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and see all the files that have been

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released publicly but

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john felt in this case that what he had

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access to

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had a much better more modern way of

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searching the data which is fine

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and some of us felt though that since

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we already had project blue book online

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maybe he was doing a little

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grandstanding and i ragged on him for

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that maybe he should have emphasized

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in the stories that were quoted

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about him that this is not something new

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it's just a better way of posting the

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project blue book files well he sent me

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a link to his original

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facebook message

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on the subject and yes indeed he pointed

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project blue book files have previously

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been available and he was only trying to

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do it in a better way but evidently the

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media in quoting him and we all know how

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that works chris

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the media didn't

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that troubling fact that this was not

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something original but simply a better

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way to put the things up what's your

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position on that chris

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well i think uh this all occurred on the

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uh show with alejandro

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i wasn't on that show unfortunately you

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we owe it to people like john who's

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i'm i'm a huge fan of his he's one of

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the few young people

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in the field when i say young i mean

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people below 40 years old i think he

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just turned 30. he's been at this since

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he was 14. he is uh again i i can't say

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enough how much i admire

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the amount the just incredible amount of

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work that he's done he's already got

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over a million documents fye documents

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on online at the black vault i think

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who wants to get into

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researching and digging into this

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and find out from his uh you know

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get his side of of things instead of

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that he's grandstanding i could see why

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based on the newspaper coverage why you

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anyone would think that but but again

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just to set the record straight i think

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it's a good journalistic practice to

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contact whomever it is that there might

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be some sort of question about so i i

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don't think he was grandstanding he sent

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me a long email explaining exactly what

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the situation was and i understand his

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his indignation

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and i i think he overreacted a little

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bit but still he did express his uh

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indignation and not being contacted and

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asked directly so i think that's a

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lesson to be learned

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but part of it is that i think his

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explanation on the black fault site was

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not as clear as it could have been yeah

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okay i think that's a large part of it

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because it was not questioning what we

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didn't contact him it was looking at the

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it wasn't altogether clear what the

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and i think that didn't help and maybe

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he should have been a little more

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careful this is the past

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and let's hope they do find a better way

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i mean yes if you

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google project blue book files you'll

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find them but a lot of these databases

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are really old and this is the problem

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for example we have with the national

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ufo reporting center where he's got a

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huge amount of information there but

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he's using a 1992

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database search engine right and

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nowadays you know you put up online

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search engines you could link to google

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search which is what we do on my tech

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technical.com there are so many

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different ways to search for information

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our message forms have a very advanced

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search engine

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and so these things need to be

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modernized

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so that we can really get the

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information we want because it really

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makes it difficult that's one of the

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good things about his site is it is very

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searchable and is very very well

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uh set up we're going back to john

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greenwald's site we're not talking again

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about peter davenport's site but yeah

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john is a young guy

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who's trying to make the information

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as accessible as possible and he's

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gotten a lot of these freedom of

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information

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documents which is very good and by the

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he's got

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an ally here

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in the name of john podesta who's the

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head of hillary clinton's campaign

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and he's been saying over and over again

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and this is not something just for the

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campaign he wants

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as much information released as possible

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from the government archives on ufos and

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clinton actually i read her statement

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and i thought she was just saying

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something to placate a reporter or a

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voter

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but she seemed pretty serious about the

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subject in fact i did an editorial on it

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for the power cast newsletter of course

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what if she's elected president and we

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don't have president trump or president

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cruz or something whether anything will

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come of it i'm very doubtful yeah i am

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too although it is known that she did

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hole i think was 95

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and she was holding a very interesting

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book titled are we alone

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so you know there there is like carter

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like uh you know clinton it's everybody

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don't hold your breath it's pretty

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doubtful that anything is going to

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happen and i again i will restate my

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position i think most of this

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information is held in the private

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away from uh

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foia requests and prying eyes so i think

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it's a real long shot and by the way

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hillary clinton's private email server

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or maybe it's the ones that she deleted

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remember she deleted the private emails

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before giving the government access

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which is her

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privilege

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so that wasn't it and by the way just a

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final comment about the email

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controversy do you know that when colin

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powell was secretary of state he used an

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aol account right now where

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does anyone in their right mind believe

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that aol is more secure than somebody's

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private email server but let's just not

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do that

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let's get started with our guest chris

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could you tell us about our guest

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because this is

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solid research nuts and bolts ufology

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well i'm really happy that finally we

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have phyllis budding on the show

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i've been wanting to talk with phyllis

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for many years where our paths have not

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really crossed until

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recently

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i finally got a chance to meet her she

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has been working courageously behind the

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scenes for decades

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as an analytical chemist

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she's been involved in testing some

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pretty notorious materials that have

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been

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i guess alleged to have

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have some sort of potential connection

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to the ufo phenomenon including

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the delphos uh case where we had a ring

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of fluorescing material that fluoresced

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quite a number of hours after the actual

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landing event in delfos kansas

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she was able to

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get a sample and and test that she

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worked with nancy talbott on the uh the

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interesting claim by robert van der

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walker about the

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the piles of magnesium in these crop

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circles in holland a case that i really

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would like to talk to about for my own

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personal uh interest in the unexplained

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livestock death phenomenon she she

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determined that uh pure hemoglobin was

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found on an animal that was uh

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investigated in oregon and the list goes

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on and on and phyllis has has been

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someone an unsung hero

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she's not

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tried to create a cult of personality

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around herself she's she's got the

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credentials in the in the work history

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of a true professional chemist to have

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scientists like phyllis involved in

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actually testing and

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analyzing materials uh that are alleged

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to be

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you know artifacts uh and uh material

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left behind by craft i think is very

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very important and she's one of the few

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people that have actually

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uh gotten involved so uh welcome to the

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show phyllis

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well thank you for inviting me we'll

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talk to phyllis speninger in our next

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segment with gene and chris of course

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we have phyllis sputtinger who was in

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2013

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mufon's ufologist of the year

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now let's talk about her background she

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has really an extensive background as a

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scientist

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and then we'll get into some of the case

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histories that chris is interested about

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phyllis

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ufologist of the year that's like

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getting an oscar isn't it

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yeah i was quite

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uh honored for that i uh

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was surprised unfortunately i couldn't

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make it there to get the award but uh i

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i certainly acknowledged uh the board of

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directors of uh of mufon and

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yeah i felt good about that

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can you tell us about your scientific

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background

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and how that

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ultimately led to you getting interested

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in ufos

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okay i'm a native ohioan and i've got a

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couple degrees in chemistry a bachelor's

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and a master's

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and i joined the petroleum company on

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graduation of getting the masters

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and i went up through the ranks till i

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became the a rank of research sciences

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the title and i had 35 years there and

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what i did was i headed a group in the

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end specializing in

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a discipline called spectroscopy

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and most of my industrial experience had

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been devoted to some facet of

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troubleshooting and problem solving for

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the

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businesses of this petroleum con company

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and it was not routine type analysis

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while i had an experience in uh using

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spectroscopic techniques for those who

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have a scientific background i was

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infrared and nuclear magnetic resonance

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i also had a working knowledge of most

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other analytical techniques it was to me

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that they would bring the problems and i

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would get the data and put it in front

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of me and put the puzzle together to

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solve the problem

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and all this time i had a lifelong

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interest in the mystery of the ufo

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phenomena i had contemplated and pretty

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much decided that i wanted to have a

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small laboratory just to look at the

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physical traces of anything related to

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the ufo event

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uh for instance i had read a lot of

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things and i've never seen an analysis

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that i deemed was really

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very good at identifying things

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especially i think what really

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interested me was

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the angel hair phenomenon and i said why

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didn't they run an infrared spectrum why

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didn't they do this why didn't they do

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that and uh

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i can do that

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and so anyhow it was a reason uh i

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wanted to get a good analysis

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on these materials

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it was not to prove ufos exist because i

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think there's a lot of ample evidence

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for this with photographs but i wanted

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to

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find out who who is

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piloting these craft and i wanted to

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find out something about them and the

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craft so that's what got me into it

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you wonder uh why

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why was i so interested in ufos

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uh it's because i've seen them

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on on a few occasions

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so you know that will spike your

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interest immediately when you see

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something unknown and can't explain

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but so anyhow i'm trying to find out the

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why and how

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well i'd like to focus just briefly here

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on those sightings so you've seen ufos

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obviously more than once but maybe you

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have one case that seems to be the one

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that influenced you the most or maybe

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there's more than one but maybe you can

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tell us about it well of course you know

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you're impressionable when you're a kid

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and

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i had to be i can't remember the age it

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was around 10 to 12 years old

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when i came out of the neighbor's house

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with my parents and

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about oh i would guess the distance was

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i would say 500 feet maybe up 300 400

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feet up i saw

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a craft with it looked like two inverted

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pie plates

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and i saw this and it was gray in color

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and as soon as i spotted i was looking

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at it and it boom disappeared blinked

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out

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and that got my attention

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and then there were other sightings

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after that the the most the second

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time that was impressive

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was in the mid 1990s when i was sitting

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in a restaurant it was a beautiful clear

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sky

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it was about 11 o'clock in the morning

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not a cloud and i saw a

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disc going across the sky at about as

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fast as a jet it was going perfectly

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straight

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and then all of a sudden

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it blinked out

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looked at a light bulb and you see the

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negative uh impression of it

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and it's in it

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it sort of bounced around and it

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disappeared it was uh

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it

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were iffy

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i i'm sure that uh i think they were

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ufos but i you know they were not that

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they were very a very far distance with

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multi-colored lights on them and

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hovering

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so that's about the type of things i saw

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and uh

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uh quite uh

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inspired me to do what i'm doing

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now did you come to any conclusions

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about what was causing these things or

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did you just accept it as something

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that's really weird

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um

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of course i had been reading a lot over

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the years i was you might call it arm

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armchair ufologist i did not actively

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participate

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uh

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in the field at that time but i had read

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i was pretty convinced that

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these were of another intelligence

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what it is i didn't know but i knew it

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was somebody either visiting here or

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coming here dimensionally

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and

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i became more convinced as i got

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actively involved talking to people

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anything from the military

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to all people of all walks of life and

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even my doctor saw one close up

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so you know it was when you have that

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many witnesses and when

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people heard of my interest they would

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come up to me

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and tell me their experiences and now

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there were experiences in my own family

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where my aunt saw one land

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and so and my nephew saw one that

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blinked out

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the case involving a landing

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and we have about a minute left with

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this segment so we may want to pursue

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that can you briefly tell us about it

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uh my aunt uh saw one

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she went to bed at night and all of a

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sudden the whole bedroom lit up and she

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lived in a rural area they had about 40

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or 40 50 acres of land

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and she saw this object

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got up saw this object just slowly land

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behind the woods

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and uh

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in it behind the trees and

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the distance away

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and she didn't say anything until the

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next morning and

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she told my uncle about it and he did go

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out there but i don't think he found

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anything and this was years and years

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ago so

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so he didn't find anything so

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but she had seen something

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so

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that's about all i know about it

563
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and uh this was also in in ohio yes

564
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uh-huh this is

565
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yeah in ohio northeast ohio let's do our

566
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break now we've got a lot more to talk

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about with phyllis buttinger she was

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mufan's 2013

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won one journalism award one time i

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[Music]

691
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:22,000
so chris have you ever won an award for

692
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:22,960
anything

693
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:25,520
well yeah actually i have uh

694
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uh in 2012 i co-produced a

695
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a compilation film called it could

696
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happen tomorrow which uh distilled about

697
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25 hours of

698
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of dialogues between you follow just on

699
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disclosure down to a 75 minute piece and

700
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,279
we won the

701
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,679
the international ufo congress eb awards

702
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,679
for featured best feature film and the

703
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people's choice award so

704
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,600
i've got two alien oscars that i keep on

705
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the lower shelf facing the wall because

706
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,880
they they kind of creep me out

707
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,880
well hey it's like oscar it's as close

708
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,640
as you can get in this field phyllis

709
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,399
buttinger is with us

710
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,159
and we were talking

711
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,159
to her about her background

712
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,440
in investigating ufo cases now say i'm

713
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,600
coming into this as a skeptic

714
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,279
and i say phyllis

715
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,520
if you had one case to present with

716
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
evidence

717
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,320
that would demonstrate

718
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,399
once and for all something weird is

719
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,760
really going on

720
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,200
something that you've personally

721
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,200
investigated what case would you talk

722
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:27,520
about well i think some of the highly

723
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,080
visible cases um the delfos kansas case

724
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,000
the betty hill dress

725
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,310
those are the most

726
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,559
well known cases and

727
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,480
i'm convinced something happened that

728
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:44,640
now i cannot prove anything i can't

729
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,919
prove it's alien but the the substances

730
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,080
that i found shouldn't have been there i

731
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,919
find things that shouldn't be there and

732
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,080
there's no uh

733
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,559
explanation for why they should be there

734
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,799
and uh it's bizarre it's something i

735
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,480
know something bizarre has happened and

736
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,760
why is that

737
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,600
why did this happen

738
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,039
and why is this there and so anyhow

739
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,440
those two cases stand out

740
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,600
there's another case that happened in

741
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,399
poland that has me

742
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,200
perplexed that is an interesting one it

743
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:20,000
came through blt research

744
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,919
but it's a case where a ufo landed

745
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,360
and deposited

746
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:27,520
vitrified rock

747
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,480
it was observed by a

748
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,880
old grandmother this is a rural area in

749
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,520
poland and she happened to be awake at

750
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,760
night and she was in her bedroom it was

751
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,919
two o'clock in the morning and she saw

752
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:44,080
this red object

753
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,360
slowly very slowly descend

754
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,240
uh way at the end of the field

755
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,240
she told her family about it she lived

756
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,640
with her son and his family the next

757
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:55,600
morning

758
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,880
and her teenage grandson went back there

759
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,159
to check it out

760
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,360
and he saw flattened grass

761
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,720
and he saw in a circle an elliptical

762
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,039
circle these stones

763
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,520
so he took one stone back to the

764
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farmhouse

765
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,159
and

766
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,480
he went with a wheelbarrow the next day

767
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:19,039
to get the stones and they were gone

768
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,720
and nobody knew about him they hadn't

769
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,480
told anybody

770
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,360
and

771
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:25,440
so they were completely gone but this

772
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,399
stone

773
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,480
sort of reminiscent of the dopos effect

774
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:29,679
this stone

775
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:30,480
uh

776
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,679
glowed for six months

777
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,039
and

778
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,360
i happen to look at that with a good

779
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,520
friend of mine he's the late nick ryder

780
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,600
who has done a lot of work in the ufo

781
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:43,120
field too

782
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,480
and it was uh found to be vitrified soil

783
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,960
and it was not from that area it was

784
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,799
from some other area because we looked

785
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,679
at the

786
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:55,840
control soils from that land

787
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,520
you know i have no explanation it's

788
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,240
perplexing why would vitrified soil be

789
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,240
put there and then disappear

790
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,399
and the deposit

791
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,640
in obviously deposited from somewhere

792
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,760
else

793
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,880
so yeah

794
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,640
were you able to determine what was the

795
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,000
cause of the uh of the fluorescent or or

796
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,279
glowing i have speculations and theories

797
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,559
just like

798
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:20,399
i think it was the same effect that

799
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,520
caused the glowing of the delphos ring

800
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,120
these craft

801
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,200
apparently have a field around them an

802
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,960
ionizing field

803
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,960
uh people smell ozone well that's

804
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,399
because it's probably

805
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,360
causing

806
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,919
oxygen in the air to

807
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,080
to form ozone

808
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,240
some claim nitrates

809
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,679
are around

810
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,440
so

811
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:45,360
therefore

812
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:46,399
it also

813
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,600
would cause the material like in delphos

814
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,919
that was being deposited

815
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,880
to probably fluoresce or chemiluminous

816
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,960
for a day or so

817
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,039
and i think the same effect happened

818
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,600
with these rocks that they were exposed

819
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:03,039
to this field

820
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,399
and that they glowed her chemiluminescer

821
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:08,240
for quite a while

822
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,120
so

823
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,200
that's my speculation

824
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,640
right

825
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,440
why don't we see more of that um

826
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,880
in the literature

827
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,120
we we have quite a number of you know

828
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,440
alleged landing cases from all over the

829
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:22,559
world

830
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,080
from the 40s on

831
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,600
of course they've been

832
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,720
i think

833
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,640
they're not landing as much apparently

834
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,880
as they used to but uh we only have a

835
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,960
number of cases where uh fluorescing

836
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,440
material has been observed and

837
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,159
and left behind uh the delpho's case in

838
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,760
the case in poland that you mentioned

839
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,240
are are notable ones but are there any

840
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,559
other cases uh not that i know of the

841
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,880
only other ones uh

842
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,039
that i know

843
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,200
that it's not chemiluminescing but it's

844
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,480
like i mentioned is the uh formation of

845
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,559
ozone are people that there's been a

846
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,159
number of people

847
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,159
claim that they have smelled ozone in

848
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,159
the air if they've been anywhere near

849
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,760
these things so

850
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,159
i so i think it's all

851
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,440
the field on this craft is causing this

852
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:10,799
so

853
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,240
that's my speculation well we have about

854
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:15,919
three minutes for the segment but let me

855
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,960
ask you

856
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,279
kind of an outsider question here any

857
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,279
possibility the craft that's putting

858
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,240
forth this effect might actually be some

859
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,640
kind of test aircraft instead of

860
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:29,039
something that may have a possible alien

861
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,120
origin well that's a pure speculation

862
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,200
i'm not going to rule it out

863
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,360
but i i think these craft have been seen

864
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,240
for a long time and

865
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,039
maybe some are i don't but uh

866
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,200
i don't think delphos was

867
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,640
and so when we come back let's go ahead

868
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,679
and

869
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:51,519
give some of our newer listeners who may

870
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,159
not be familiar with the delphos case um

871
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,159
a thumbnail sketch of it and then

872
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,000
describe uh

873
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,640
what you did to

874
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,679
somehow

875
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,840
almost magically obtain one of the the

876
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,600
few rare samples that

877
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,120
that existed

878
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,040
that were gathered from the case uh that

879
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,679
it's an interesting story how you got uh

880
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,520
that particular sample

881
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,119
but let's go ahead and give our new

882
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,040
listeners a better understanding of the

883
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,119
case let's do this here we have about a

884
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:21,280
minute and a half two minutes phyllis

885
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,320
why don't you start with a brief

886
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on the

887
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,159
delphos kansas case

888
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,879
and then we can explore it further in

889
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,200
our next segment if you go on for about

890
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,800
two minutes or so i think it'll work

891
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,280
fine go ahead please okay well probably

892
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,000
should explain uh the case

893
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:41,760
i can set the stage

894
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,040
uh it's in it's in delphos kansas which

895
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,240
is a very small population back then

896
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:50,240
it's around 370

897
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:53,839
and it happened on november second 1971

898
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,119
in the evening about seven

899
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,839
it was a full moon and a clear sky

900
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,800
and

901
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,000
a teenager 16 year old ron johnson was

902
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,240
tending to his sheep

903
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,599
and

904
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,359
his mom had just called him in for

905
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,480
dinner

906
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,280
and suddenly he heard a sound like an

907
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,400
old washing machine which vibrates in

908
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,560
about 25 years

909
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,200
25 yards away he saw a mushroom-shaped

910
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,520
object which was hovering two to five

911
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,440
feet from the ground

912
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,839
uh roughly nine feet in diameter and ten

913
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,800
feet high with a mass of multi-colored

914
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,520
lights covering its surface and it

915
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,000
seemed to be depositing a shimmering

916
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:37,680
material

917
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,280
and the ufo remained several minutes

918
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,280
then the glow of the base of the object

919
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,720
at the base

920
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:47,599
it brightened and enlarged and then it

921
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,680
departed uh with a real high pitch sound

922
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,560
and

923
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,680
the sound was like a jet aircraft

924
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,320
he was blinded for several minutes and

925
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,800
when his site came back he saw the ufo

926
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,079
departing

927
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,800
and one was going to the south

928
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,119
he was very frightened he got his

929
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,040
parents and brought him out and they all

930
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:11,359
three witnessed it departing

931
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,119
okay we will continue with the 1971

932
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delphos kansas ufo landing

933
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and the aftermath which is just

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fascinating

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1042
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,240
so we're talking here about

1043
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,880
one of the spectacular cases of ufo

1044
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,000
history

1045
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,520
1971 delphos kansas a 16 year old boy

1046
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,800
and i see a picture of him here with

1047
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,680
this really nice looking white dog

1048
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,240
his dog was there too okay

1049
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,040
yeah too bad the dog's not around is ron

1050
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,359
johnson still around to talk about this

1051
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,079
ron johnson is still around he's now

1052
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,880
what is late 50s or so and he will not

1053
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,280
talk about the case he doesn't want

1054
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,880
anything to do with it

1055
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,000
and in fact he has uh covered the

1056
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,960
landing site the circle that was left

1057
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,440
and uh he covered it up

1058
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,480
but that's it if i think the only person

1059
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,000
he would talk to

1060
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,920
about it would be ted phillips who was

1061
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,000
the principal investigator

1062
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,480
uh of the case and by the way uh you

1063
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:08,960
were mentioning john greenwald's black

1064
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,400
vault website he has archived about 60

1065
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:15,599
of my reports unfortunately i have not

1066
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:18,800
sent the rest to them i had a personal

1067
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,240
illness at the time and i have not sent

1068
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,119
got back to that but they are archived

1069
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,280
60 of my reports on the black fault

1070
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,000
wealth website so if anyone wants to

1071
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:32,319
wade through all the analysis of some of

1072
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,119
these

1073
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,280
you can go there

1074
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,119
i would recommend that did he talk to

1075
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:39,200
you ron johnson or does that mean he cut

1076
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,480
off contact

1077
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:42,000
no no um

1078
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,680
this was all ted phillips did all of the

1079
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,160
uh investigating on this and i've never

1080
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,599
talked to him

1081
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,000
and i've worked with fred phillips uh

1082
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,079
we had long discussions on this and i

1083
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,200
admit ted it's been here a few times and

1084
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,599
and

1085
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:00,480
he

1086
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:04,160
collecting

1087
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,960
but

1088
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:05,920
this

1089
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,440
at a time i analyzed the samples about

1090
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,839
oh gosh

1091
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,319
years later

1092
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,640
after i found them and

1093
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:18,880
this was actually my

1094
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:22,240
introduction our resume into the

1095
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,240
analysis of ufo-related substances i was

1096
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:28,079
about to retire

1097
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:29,359
and

1098
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,200
you pick a

1099
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,280
a very good case

1100
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:36,800
to

1101
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,960
hold of ted phillips

1102
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,280
and it was very funny well he says i

1103
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:48,000
don't know where there's any samples

1104
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,280
and

1105
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,839
i went to a meeting

1106
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,359
in ohio on

1107
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,119
the first mufon meeting as a matter of

1108
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,520
fact and i met a man there

1109
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,839
you might know him he's an icon

1110
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,560
it was a john zimmerman and john

1111
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,839
timmerman who was recently passed away

1112
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:07,839
came up and started talking to me and

1113
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,800
that man was amazing he had

1114
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,720
he had all the information about me and

1115
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,079
what i was doing

1116
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:16,720
and so forth inside of

1117
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,640
15 minutes and i mentioned the delphos

1118
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,200
samples he says oh

1119
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,359
he said i have some of those in my

1120
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,040
carport garage

1121
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,280
and he lives by the way near delphos

1122
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,359
ohio which was kind of funny

1123
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,200
but anyway

1124
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,599
he says i can send him to you and he had

1125
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:37,920
a lot of physical trace evidence as i

1126
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,440
understand because he was on the kufos

1127
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,319
board of directors or whatever

1128
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,880
he was involved with that and they moved

1129
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:48,960
their office so he took all the physical

1130
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:52,400
trace evidence and stored it at his home

1131
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,400
and so that's how i got the samples

1132
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,400
unfortunately i was still

1133
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:01,119
working i was about to leave and

1134
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,280
the lab was moving to another city too

1135
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:07,200
and so i

1136
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,240
advantage of an access to just about any

1137
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,079
analytical instrument i wanted and

1138
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,160
people were running some of the tests

1139
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,280
for me

1140
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,520
so i i really

1141
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:23,680
uh did an in-depth analysis on it i

1142
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:27,200
think there's a 50-60 rep page report on

1143
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:28,160
it

1144
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,520
that's basically the story i don't know

1145
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,560
if when when i was discussing the base

1146
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,640
the background of the case

1147
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,000
if um

1148
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,920
uh i mentioned that

1149
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:42,880
that

1150
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,440
and it was luminescence on the trees but

1151
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,160
his parents touched the ring

1152
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,280
and

1153
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,520
they had numbing effects

1154
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,880
in his mother

1155
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,960
mother's numbness lasted the day she

1156
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,280
died in the 1990s

1157
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,200
and she took a picture with a polaroid

1158
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,560
camera

1159
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,880
and it took about

1160
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,599
it was about an hour after the

1161
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,880
the

1162
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,200
deposit was laid down

1163
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,720
and uh

1164
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,640
it was glowing in the light of the

1165
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:20,880
glowing but she had no flash the light

1166
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,359
of the glowing was enough to

1167
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,040
show the ring which was i thought was

1168
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:27,920
interesting but anyway personally i call

1169
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,640
this the toxic waste dump event because

1170
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,240
of the uh

1171
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,359
problems it caused the parents well i i

1172
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,440
had forgotten that detail

1173
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:39,599
that they had gotten uh

1174
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,359
numbness that lasted uh years i i

1175
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,160
totally forgot about that

1176
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:49,119
were there any sort of um

1177
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:52,720
determinations made by medical uh people

1178
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,599
uh

1179
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:56,240
you know i i don't have that information

1180
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,760
uh

1181
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,760
because that's that's very unusual um

1182
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,040
yeah yeah

1183
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,280
well there was a toxic material there

1184
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:04,480
and as i

1185
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,599
i as i analyzed it i could speculate

1186
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:08,960
that

1187
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,359
the deposit consisted of um folic acids

1188
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,800
which is really a water-soluble humate

1189
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,680
and it had uh oxalic acid and i think

1190
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,760
the oxalic acid was what caused the

1191
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,280
numbness and the burn because that's

1192
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,000
that is rather toxic if you touch it

1193
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,480
now some of these materials are are

1194
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,800
degradation products of plant material

1195
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,520
but

1196
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:33,839
this was uh in too high of

1197
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,119
concentrations to have been

1198
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,160
you know deposited by plant and it was

1199
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:41,680
it was

1200
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,480
deposited as a liquid a water solution

1201
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,720
and all the controls

1202
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,880
samples around it did not have these

1203
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,160
materials

1204
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:51,680
when you're analyzing something like

1205
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,560
this which is several decades old

1206
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,119
and we all talk about chain of custody

1207
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,520
obviously there are strong possibility

1208
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,760
here that whatever you got was probably

1209
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,760
contaminated along the way wouldn't you

1210
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,720
think

1211
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,160
well these were tightly sealed in film

1212
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:09,680
canisters

1213
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:10,560
and

1214
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:14,720
information with them they were taken by

1215
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,760
ted phillips two months after the event

1216
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,240
and not only that you know ted is from

1217
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,400
missouri and he was a civil engineer at

1218
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,960
the time it was packed in missouri road

1219
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,559
map fragments

1220
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:27,760
and

1221
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,559
he acknowledged that yeah he took those

1222
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:31,359
and

1223
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,280
mccoy yeah

1224
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,200
those were the samples that were given

1225
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,359
uh jay allen heineck if i

1226
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,440
if i remember correctly of course he was

1227
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:46,960
the one that started the center for ufo

1228
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,240
studies uh where the samples were

1229
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,000
obtained by

1230
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,000
timmerman

1231
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,880
now heinek i i recall seeing pictures of

1232
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,440
heinek and phillips at the site and the

1233
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:00,720
one you know there are several things

1234
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,079
about the case that are that are

1235
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,559
quite interesting one is the the impact

1236
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,640
on the environment that that particular

1237
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,960
event had it adversely affected the

1238
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:12,559
environment

1239
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,440
for for decades uh if not permanently

1240
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,280
yeah

1241
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,839
nothing would grow there um and it also

1242
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,319
impacted uh nearby vegetation but the

1243
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,720
other thing is the fact that the glow uh

1244
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,200
was there almost a full day

1245
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,440
yeah yeah after that

1246
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,440
which is

1247
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,400
that is uh a real head scratcher in and

1248
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:35,680
of itself

1249
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,559
so

1250
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:39,200
what kind of test did you perform uh gas

1251
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,829
specs i had it uh i just put about

1252
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,359
everything into it right now i don't

1253
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,359
have the report in front of me but yeah

1254
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:52,559
if you want the whole uh

1255
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,760
analytical uh

1256
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,680
ana

1257
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,119
what do i want to speak there was

1258
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:01,839
infrared there was nuclear magnetic

1259
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,359
resonance there was um

1260
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,880
icp which is inductively plasm

1261
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,280
coupled plasma for elemental there was

1262
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,680
eds which is also another elemental

1263
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,880
technique

1264
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,520
i did extractions

1265
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:19,440
i can't remember if we did any

1266
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,400
chromatography on that i have to look up

1267
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,440
there was uv uh

1268
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,280
oh gosh

1269
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,839
now did you find anything in the test

1270
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,400
results from delphos that could be a

1271
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,720
potential tie-in with the polling case

1272
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,240
uh were there any

1273
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,960
similarities were there any any

1274
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,359
commonalities if you will

1275
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:44,000
just the just the after effects the

1276
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,359
glowing

1277
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,440
that was the only thing that was as far

1278
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,319
as physical substances were no

1279
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,480
uh no there was no

1280
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,839
these were two different things so yeah

1281
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,079
so and that that's what i'm thinking is

1282
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:00,079
giving a clue to the propulsion system

1283
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,359
of these things

1284
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,200
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1285
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,960
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1351
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1352
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1353
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:04,960
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1354
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:08,220
here's gene steinberg

1355
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:13,510
let's continue we were talking here

1356
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:14,559
about the

1357
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,960
delphos kansas ufo case from 1971

1358
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,240
where phyllis

1359
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,240
did i guess we call it a forensic

1360
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:24,480
analysis you were the csi person for

1361
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,440
this

1362
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,920
well i don't know if i did analytical

1363
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,079
chemistry on it i don't yeah i suppose

1364
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:33,040
you could call it a forensic analysis

1365
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,480
remember here we're looking at the side

1366
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:37,200
effects of what's happening there yeah

1367
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,800
and so we don't know

1368
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,440
where that happened is there anything

1369
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,960
that you're aware of based on your

1370
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,359
experience in the conventional world

1371
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,880
that would produce similar effects

1372
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,400
anything at all

1373
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,720
nothing at all it's why it's bizarre and

1374
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,280
so some of that would argue okay this is

1375
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,920
degraded plants and stuff like that no

1376
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,599
no it definitely is not because those

1377
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,440
are the type of materials

1378
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,040
that they degrade to

1379
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,359
the fact is these are water-soluble

1380
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,520
cumates folic acids

1381
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:07,440
oxalic acid

1382
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,240
and

1383
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:10,880
i

1384
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,559
related

1385
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,480
to some kind of

1386
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:19,599
bio

1387
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,960
it was some

1388
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:26,880
related to whatever

1389
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,750
decomposed components or whatever it was

1390
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,280
i think i should get that a little

1391
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,640
better maybe you better back that up

1392
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:42,640
well maybe they just decided it was time

1393
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:46,000
to uh to dump the bilge uh to lighten

1394
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,789
products maybe i'm i'm thinking that it

1395
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,079
could be maybe something like

1396
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,079
hydroponics

1397
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:58,160
yeah interesting

1398
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,280
so it could have been some sort of

1399
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,440
growth medium that was uh kind of beyond

1400
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,480
its uh

1401
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,920
it's uh

1402
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,760
expiration date and they decide to dump

1403
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,280
that plus uh

1404
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,920
some of the excretions that the aliens

1405
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,240
scrape off their skins and uh

1406
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,400
probably store in very smelly vats and

1407
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,400
then uh

1408
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,440
by the way this did have an odor yeah

1409
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,200
it did have an odor interesting i i

1410
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,799
didn't recall i don't

1411
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,040
recall remembering that well some people

1412
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,359
complained to sulfur odor now in trace

1413
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,440
amounts there were other things i think

1414
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,680
they found a trace amount of mercaptan

1415
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,160
which is a smelly compound

1416
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:36,319
but these were in trace amounts and

1417
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,599
there were trees

1418
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,799
so

1419
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:40,240
you didn't find those in the control

1420
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,000
samples uh i'm assuming no no no no well

1421
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,880
i i remember meeting uh ted many years

1422
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,440
ago and almost the first case out of his

1423
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,559
mouth at that point he was of like 6 000

1424
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,960
cases he'd been involved with

1425
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,559
the first case out of his mouth was

1426
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:58,079
delphos so that

1427
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,160
that i think without question uh is

1428
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,520
his

1429
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,480
most intriguing and um sensational case

1430
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,480
out of all the landing trace cases that

1431
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,000
he allegedly has

1432
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:13,040
has compiled i think he's around 7 000

1433
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:14,319
now maybe more

1434
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,200
yeah

1435
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,799
and uh when was the last time he talked

1436
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,119
to ted uh we've been trying to get him

1437
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,720
back on the show

1438
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:22,960
uh get a little sense of what's going on

1439
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,920
at the uh his so-called marly woods case

1440
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:28,240
that he's been working on

1441
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,440
for 20

1442
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,440
plus years when was the last time you

1443
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,440
talked to him how's he doing

1444
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,960
uh now i had sent some emails back and

1445
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:39,040
forth about a couple years ago and i've

1446
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,799
been meaning to get back to him to see

1447
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,119
how he's doing i know he's had some uh

1448
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:44,640
physical problems you know he's in his

1449
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:51,430
doctoring for

1450
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,720
he

1451
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,880
was also um

1452
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,760
uh

1453
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,480
not really um giving interviews that

1454
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:01,040
much anymore yeah we've uh we've found

1455
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,400
that out uh yeah

1456
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,839
he's been on the show

1457
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,920
uh and he was going to put up a website

1458
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,760
and start publishing some

1459
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,680
some of the results from his many years

1460
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,640
at that uh that infamous case has he

1461
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:14,480
ever contacted you about any sort of

1462
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,680
trace evidence or any sort of work that

1463
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,960
comes down

1464
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,599
you know in your particular

1465
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:24,079
area of expertise from the marly woods

1466
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,200
case

1467
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:27,599
occasionally he has on a couple things

1468
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,799
on some cases that he's been on and

1469
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,440
i can't remember specifics because i

1470
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:35,680
didn't find anything on these particular

1471
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,400
things

1472
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,200
and so um i i don't think i even wrote a

1473
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,760
report on them but yeah he has contacted

1474
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:43,280
me on a few things

1475
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:44,240
yeah

1476
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,520
well that's good it's good to know that

1477
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:48,000
uh ted at least is uh

1478
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,119
still

1479
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:52,000
i guess up and at him uh i i just i

1480
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,839
remember that some of the pictures uh

1481
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,920
from back in the day when when he was a

1482
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,760
kid you know yeah

1483
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,440
with the beetle haircut yeah with the

1484
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,520
beetle haircut

1485
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:03,760
tramping around with uh jacques valet

1486
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:06,960
and uh yeah and uh alan heineck i i had

1487
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,319
the uh unique uh and i guess you know i

1488
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:13,119
can i could die a happy man uh

1489
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:14,000
i

1490
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,000
book on roswell

1491
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:50,240
and the question that

1492
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,520
heinrich asked him was how can i

1493
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,000
get more interest more sales for my

1494
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,480
books what do i have to do he was asking

1495
01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:00,160
him for advice because burlesque had

1496
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:01,040
written

1497
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,720
best-selling books and had done very

1498
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:04,640
well with it it was really interesting

1499
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,839
was kind of fun to watch these two guys

1500
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:09,839
go back and forth for i don't know about

1501
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:14,870
but

1502
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,520
okay so looking at delphos kansas you've

1503
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,839
done all this work

1504
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,079
but you couldn't say even though these

1505
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,040
materials are original or unique that

1506
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:27,839
this is ironclad evidence of a possible

1507
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:30,559
extraterrestrial origin of ufos right

1508
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,839
that's right

1509
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,839
all i know is something bizarre happened

1510
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,240
and you can you you try to rule out

1511
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:38,720
everything else and once

1512
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,000
your the common explanations fail you

1513
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,280
know you have something bizarre going on

1514
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,280
you can't explain why is that there why

1515
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:49,280
did they drop it you know

1516
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,079
so

1517
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,760
that's the type of thing you run into

1518
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,079
perfect example

1519
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,400
and maybe it was just an effort to

1520
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,319
get the earthlings wondering what they

1521
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,799
were dropping and why yeah i wouldn't

1522
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:02,960
say i wouldn't say e.t has a sense of

1523
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,160
humor though no i don't think so ted did

1524
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,720
tell me he thought that the the thing

1525
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,799
was in trouble the craft was in trouble

1526
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,640
they had to get rid of it but you know

1527
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,040
that was a speculation his part that he

1528
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,920
told me that some years ago well i used

1529
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,920
to joke

1530
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,520
about

1531
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:24,000
ufo crashes especially roswell being the

1532
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:24,960
result

1533
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,920
of e.t using the lowest bidder in

1534
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:29,119
building their spacecraft for

1535
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:34,470
good enough for government work though

1536
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:41,109
okay here's i have uh

1537
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,960
as soon as we posted uh that you're

1538
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,520
gonna be on the show uh of course

1539
01:01:48,910 --> 01:01:47,119
you know we have a very active forum

1540
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,920
community at

1541
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:50,799
forum.theparacast.com and if

1542
01:01:55,030 --> 01:01:53,440
folks go go and register and sign up for

1543
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:55,040
the forum and everything they can ask

1544
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,319
questions of our guests so we have a

1545
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:57,920
number of questions here

1546
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:00,319
and and this is something that that i

1547
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,440
uh became involved with this particular

1548
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:05,520
aspect of

1549
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,319
anomalous sites shall we say i was

1550
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,599
involved with

1551
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:11,920
with left eleven good and blt research

1552
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:15,200
in the um the bovine excision site uh

1553
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,160
study

1554
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:17,680
and one of the things that we found

1555
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:20,559
around the animal in one case that uh

1556
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:21,839
that i

1557
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:24,799
was the field person collected

1558
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,839
samples and and and whatnot was

1559
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,480
extreme elevation of

1560
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:32,400
levels of magnetite

1561
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,200
and

1562
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:35,920
around the animal there was a three

1563
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,440
uh 100 percent increase if i remember it

1564
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,359
might have been 600 right at the animal

1565
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,319
and then down to 300 percent increase in

1566
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,480
the amount of magnetite and this was

1567
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,880
directly around the uh this particular

1568
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:50,640
mutilated cow

1569
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:53,520
in colorado and then as we went out to

1570
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:56,400
50 feet then boom um

1571
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,040
the levels of magnetite went down to to

1572
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,680
to control to control levels

1573
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,480
have you done any sort of work um on

1574
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,319
this whole idea of

1575
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:08,400
magnetite being somehow

1576
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,040
concentrated around landing sites any

1577
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:12,960
sort of trace evidence cases and in in

1578
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,400
this case academy relations

1579
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,799
yeah and um

1580
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,680
i've

1581
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,039
in fact

1582
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,400
i've just done some uh recently i was

1583
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,559
out to the travis walton site in

1584
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,160
november

1585
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,480
that's a good cliffhanger phyllis

1586
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:32,799
we're going to find out what you found

1587
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,280
at the travis walton site and the issues

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01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:37,119
with regard to

1589
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:39,119
mutilations in our next segment with

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01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,720
phyllis buttinger

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i noticed chris is using a kindler

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all right phyllis bondinger is joining

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us we're talking about some research

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01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:23,839
into cattle mutilations you also

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01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:25,359
mentioned going to the site of the

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01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:28,159
travis walton abduction phyllis tell us

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01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,359
more yeah well uh i've been there twice

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01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:33,199
now and

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01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:34,640
the second time

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01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,679
i collected some soil samples now the

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01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:39,839
problem is that they're 40

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01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:43,120
they've been weathered 40 years and they

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01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:46,159
there's been a forest fire through there

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01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:47,839
i don't know if i'll find anything the

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01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,159
analysis isn't done yet i have a lot of

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01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,679
data to check on i'm going to send it

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01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,080
for soil assay

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01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,679
and i've got some other tests that i'm

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01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,640
going to

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01:09:01,829 --> 01:09:00,560
submit it for but

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01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:01,839
i did do

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01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:03,279
the

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01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:04,080
meg

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01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,960
type

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01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,400
test and i did find right around the

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01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:10,319
site where the craft was

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01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,400
there's a little higher level

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01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,000
of magnetite

1722
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,400
i found it in other soil samples from

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01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,920
other sites

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01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:19,040
also

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01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,799
the bentwaters case

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01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:22,799
the chemists that worked on that

1727
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,159
also found higher levels of magnetite

1728
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,080
around the

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01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,640
craft i think they're ferrites

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01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,319
natural

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01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,560
iron containing particles that are in

1732
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,719
all soils but for some reason they

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01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,319
concentrate

1734
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:40,480
at the site we speculate what it might

1735
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,839
be but

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01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,120
again

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01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:46,560
it's uh we speculate that

1738
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,640
it's uh a magnetic effect from the craft

1739
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,319
propulsion

1740
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,880
uh system this might must have a heck of

1741
01:11:06,310 --> 01:09:56,080
a

1742
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,320
the levels be uh you know

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01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,040
highly uh elevated around the event and

1744
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,719
then they should fall off because that's

1745
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,199
the material that's being drawn to the

1746
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,600
event and then it should go back up to

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01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:17,520
control levels right

1748
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,640
well that's a good question because um

1749
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:22,880
something i i have not have

1750
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,080
i don't have enough data to look uh to

1751
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,400
see if that's true and i'm going to look

1752
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,159
at it from that aspect

1753
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:32,080
now that that is a very good question

1754
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,800
and

1755
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,440
i can't tell you uh

1756
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,199
for sure because uh

1757
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,120
i'll just have to look at the data now i

1758
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:41,600
have it from uh one two

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01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,320
two or three other sites

1760
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,920
yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna look at the

1761
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,080
data too in the bovine excision site

1762
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,320
study because i took

1763
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,640
i i took samples from

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01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,679
actually

1765
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,520
right at the animal

1766
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:57,679
every five feet out to 50 feet and then

1767
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:00,640
i think 150 feet and then control a mile

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01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,390
so

1769
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,880
it costs a lot to send all that dirt

1770
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:10,159
oh yeah

1771
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,679
yeah chris while you're talking

1772
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,840
something occurs to me are we looking

1773
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:15,520
here at some kind of

1774
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:18,480
comparison between the mutilations and

1775
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,120
ufos that might be favorable or is it

1776
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,760
just two different types of cases but

1777
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,880
trying to do

1778
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:26,719
similar things and getting solid

1779
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:28,000
evidence

1780
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:29,360
well you know there's no real

1781
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,400
consistency my case happened to feature

1782
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,480
elevated levels of magnetite not all

1783
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,400
cases do so

1784
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:38,080
if there was consistency through the

1785
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:39,120
data

1786
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:40,320
you know then we'd have something to

1787
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:41,840
hang our hat on but

1788
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,640
if if one case is going to be you know

1789
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,480
dramatically different from another

1790
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:47,840
obviously you're not going to be able to

1791
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,120
make any any real educated um

1792
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,520
come up with any educated hypotheses

1793
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,600
based on inconsistent data i mean

1794
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,360
correct me if i'm wrong phyllis but i

1795
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,920
mean if all this stuff was was you know

1796
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,000
we we had the same exact

1797
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:05,199
repeatable or replicated uh

1798
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,480
data sets

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01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,159
after analysis then then we would have

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01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,000
something to go on but it's it's still

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01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,320
there's no consistency some cases have

1802
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,960
it some don't other cases have elevated

1803
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,880
levels of

1804
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,480
like like she mentioned you know the

1805
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,239
alpha's case have elevated levels of

1806
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,040
natural naturally occurring um elements

1807
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:25,199
that are in a strange combination that

1808
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,679
shouldn't be there so until we get

1809
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,199
consistency

1810
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:32,239
and until we can actually go into a case

1811
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:33,040
and

1812
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:37,199
we're going to find which is how kind of

1813
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,800
science works

1814
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,520
and replicate that uh that data and you

1815
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:43,440
know prove out the hypothesis and we're

1816
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,159
you know we're still gathering data

1817
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:48,159
you know in some cases i think that

1818
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:50,000
maybe the animal was dropped from a

1819
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,440
height there was evidence for some

1820
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:53,520
animals having been dropped so then the

1821
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,679
craft would not have landed maybe in

1822
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:58,320
some cases it landed yeah good point

1823
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,159
i've had cases where animals have had

1824
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,239
their horns driven into the ground even

1825
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,120
snapped off all the upper side ribs

1826
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,840
broken right against the spine

1827
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,000
which would indicate the animal was

1828
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,400
dropped from at least 40 or 50 feet

1829
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:14,400
uh if not higher so

1830
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,159
yeah that's a good point now speaking on

1831
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,239
the mutilation uh you know one of the

1832
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,480
reasons why i moved phyllis to arizona

1833
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:22,560
was to get away from mutilation cases

1834
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:24,880
like i had to deal with in colorado

1835
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,520
because arizona has not been hit

1836
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:29,199
officially that many times over the

1837
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,719
years although there were cases around

1838
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:32,159
right around the time that travis got

1839
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,280
taken

1840
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,760
interestingly enough i just had uh

1841
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,280
someone send me an article from the

1842
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,199
arizona daily sun that there

1843
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:41,760
there's a ranch 30 miles from me that

1844
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,320
they had just had a number of cases uh

1845
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,400
recently and and the lady claims that

1846
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,840
she's been having them every year it's

1847
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,920
the cost of doing business there was a

1848
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,199
claim that us

1849
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,360
three elk were found in in august in the

1850
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:55,760
mutilated condition on the ranch there

1851
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,760
and it's surrounded by hopi ranch land

1852
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,600
which is interesting and right through

1853
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:01,679
the middle is diablo canyon which is

1854
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,880
probably where these cases are occurring

1855
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,199
so you know what you banish you invoke

1856
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,440
i've been trying to call this woman and

1857
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,520
get uh permission to come up there and

1858
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:13,920
stuff but i'm not being taken seriously

1859
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,480
evidently now you were involved in i

1860
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:18,800
think two cases if i'm not mistaken

1861
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:19,920
definitely one

1862
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,640
uh where you determine pure hemoglobin

1863
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,880
was found on an animal

1864
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:26,560
in one case in oregon i think in the

1865
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,760
early 2000s if i'm not mistaken or yeah

1866
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,120
and then wasn't there another one i

1867
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,600
think that's the only one that i found

1868
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:36,080
hemoglobin i would like to see if other

1869
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:39,600
cases i i think on that it is pure

1870
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:42,560
hemoglobin yeah but i think

1871
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:45,440
regarding its source i think the jewelry

1872
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:47,840
is still out because

1873
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:49,199
first of all i

1874
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,640
i don't have

1875
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:52,960
background in the biological sciences

1876
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:56,080
but then i yet i have questions um was i

1877
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,920
was like was there some sort of

1878
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,320
capillary separation of the blood on the

1879
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,280
dead animal uh in here or could there

1880
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,000
have been natural processes such as a

1881
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,000
bacterial attack on the blood just

1882
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,640
leaving the hemoglobin right and i think

1883
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,280
those things should be checked out

1884
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,000
and also it would be nice to have some

1885
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:18,719
blood for some more animals

1886
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,199
and to see if it's still hemoglobin and

1887
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,520
the problem with that one was

1888
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:25,520
i only had um

1889
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:28,000
sub milligram levels of the sample let's

1890
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,120
do our break here and then we'll

1891
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:31,440
continue with this analysis with gina

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[Applause]

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their experiences about the paranormal

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the unexplainable or the afterlife and

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so much more and this is the source for

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someone you like owe 10 000 or more to

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want to squeeze in there right next to

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you so the rfid scanner in my pocket can

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capture all your personal information

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800-997-6584 or go to

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01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:57,669
hi it's grant cameron from presidential

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01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:01,440
ufo.com you're listening to the paracast

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01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,750
so phyllis spottinger is in immersed

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01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:14,560
here in an analysis of evidence can you

2000
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,000
go on please

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01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:18,719
okay like i said i had some milligram

2002
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:21,040
quantities of samples it was just little

2003
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,920
flecks of blood and i would feel

2004
01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:26,159
better if i would would have had more

2005
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,640
blood to work with and also from other

2006
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:30,800
cases but there's no question that was

2007
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:33,280
hemoglobin but there could have been

2008
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:36,080
other reasons so again it needs more

2009
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,000
investigation

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01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:40,320
right other than possible natural causes

2011
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,320
how would you

2012
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,560
be able to

2013
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,800
separate out the hemoglobin from the

2014
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,800
rest of the constituent elements in the

2015
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,960
blood would that be considered unusual

2016
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,400
to find something like that on a dead

2017
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:53,840
animal out in the field

2018
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,000
well with our technology it would be

2019
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,040
because it's rather complex i believe so

2020
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,880
you need a centrifuge yeah you need a

2021
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,400
centrifuge

2022
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,199
yeah and it's a complicated procedure

2023
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:07,760
and again you need a centrifuge and

2024
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:09,040
i don't think they could have done

2025
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,360
something like that on site if with our

2026
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,840
technology so i mean what would be the

2027
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,520
uh the motivation

2028
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,120
um how about animals that have been

2029
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,679
found with abnormally depleted amounts

2030
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,600
of copper in the blood

2031
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,600
would that be another case of needing a

2032
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:24,880
centrifuge

2033
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:27,520
ah well i don't know i can't answer that

2034
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,480
yeah

2035
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,920
because we've had some cases with

2036
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,400
extremely almost no

2037
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,159
copper just trace elements of copper in

2038
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,480
the blood there are some natural

2039
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,560
conditions that can lead to

2040
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,560
copper deficiency in blood but not down

2041
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,560
to the levels that

2042
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,800
were claimed i think in one

2043
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:46,159
national institute for discovery

2044
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,639
sciences paper if i remember correctly

2045
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,960
that there was a case that was

2046
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,440
practically devoid of copper elevated

2047
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,600
copper i could see uh especially you

2048
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,440
know in near polluted

2049
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,440
like a superfund site that we had in uh

2050
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:01,199
near the san luis valley about 40 miles

2051
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,040
up up into the mountains

2052
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:05,679
uh trashed the top 17 20 miles of the

2053
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:07,520
alamosa river and then down

2054
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,440
stream from that in the valley uh

2055
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,440
animals were found with

2056
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,960
so much

2057
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:14,560
copper and heavy metals in their blood

2058
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:16,080
that they actually shouldn't have been

2059
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:19,520
walking around wow and the epa

2060
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:21,920
heard there in the valley determined

2061
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,400
that there were um excessive amounts uh

2062
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,880
unhealthy amounts of heavy metals and

2063
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:29,040
when the when the scientist who was in

2064
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,440
charge of that particular project went

2065
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:33,679
to his his supervisors and said well you

2066
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:36,159
know we have to draft a press release to

2067
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,239
warn ranchers in the area who are

2068
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,719
watering their animals from that source

2069
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,560
we have to warn them that this is uh

2070
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:44,320
unhealthy beef and the epa wouldn't let

2071
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:45,840
him and they fired him he did a

2072
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:47,679
whistleblowing routine with westwood

2073
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:50,000
magazine in denver and spilled the beans

2074
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,360
on them and uh

2075
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,040
it's interesting during that two-year

2076
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:55,040
period i had seven mutilations along

2077
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:57,120
those uh canals and waterways coming out

2078
01:24:02,950 --> 01:23:59,679
of the alamosa river uh which were

2079
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:02,960
unexplained uh horses and uh and cattle

2080
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:05,920
the case with the elevated uh magnetite

2081
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:08,560
was very near there as well

2082
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:10,639
so this stuff the more you get into it

2083
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:13,120
the more uh the more the bald spots

2084
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,840
appear on my head from scratching so

2085
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:16,800
much well you know

2086
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,800
you ask one question then you have six

2087
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,719
more that you you have to ask why is

2088
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,080
this you know and

2089
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,480
it generates more questions well we have

2090
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:26,320
some questions again from our audience

2091
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:27,440
and um

2092
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,920
here's one from ufology who's

2093
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,520
our nuts and bolts

2094
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:34,320
uh guy up in calgary randall always ask

2095
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,600
good questions

2096
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,600
as best as you can in everyday terms can

2097
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,520
you please give us an idea of what

2098
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,120
chemical evidence you believe would be

2099
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,440
sufficient to scientifically conclude

2100
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,840
that an alien substance is present and

2101
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:47,840
not merely some sort of unusual chemical

2102
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:50,639
compound or i i'm adding a combination

2103
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,639
of compounds that could be manufactured

2104
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,320
by humans i mean what would be the

2105
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:56,480
smoking gun thing that you would see it

2106
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,440
and know

2107
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,679
if it was a metal

2108
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,120
piece of metal

2109
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,679
say i would say the composition of the

2110
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,960
metal plus

2111
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,199
the isotopic ratios

2112
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,960
if they were different from terrestrial

2113
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:11,280
values do you know what isotopic ratios

2114
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:14,639
are let me try to explain it well

2115
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:17,600
most of the elements have isotopes that

2116
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,320
is

2117
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:20,400
an element can have different masses

2118
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:22,719
because they have varying numbers of

2119
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,639
neutrons in the nucleus

2120
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:26,480
and let me use the

2121
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:29,600
example of copper to explain it copper

2122
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,920
has two isotopes copper 63 and 65 i'll

2123
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:36,159
say the isotope i'll call copper a and

2124
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:37,679
copper b so i don't have to worry about

2125
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:40,560
the numbers but on earth the abundance

2126
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:43,520
of these isotopes is always the same uh

2127
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,600
copper a is 69

2128
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:46,960
and copper

2129
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,560
b is 31 percent or river it's a constant

2130
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,239
wherever you go on earth

2131
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,880
it's going to be the same amount

2132
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,120
but in another solar system say you go

2133
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,239
to zeta reticuli or alpha centauri the

2134
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,239
constant might be different

2135
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,080
and let me pull some numbers out of the

2136
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:07,440
air but it's possible copper a uh could

2137
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:12,159
be 55 percent and copper b could be 45

2138
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:15,040
so we can measure these and so if we see

2139
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:16,719
copper isotopes

2140
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:19,600
are not the same amount on earth like 69

2141
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,080
and 30 i mean yeah 69 31 we know it has

2142
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,480
to be from another solar system

2143
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,280
the reason for this is

2144
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:32,239
in the eons of time in the formation of

2145
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,600
the solar system the physical processes

2146
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,000
might be slightly different and so in

2147
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:39,840
the formation of the elements their

2148
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:42,320
elemental isotopic abundances might be

2149
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:45,360
different by the way we do see isotopic

2150
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,360
differences in meteors which are

2151
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,639
extraterrestrial right from other solar

2152
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:52,560
system or wherever they're from but

2153
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,280
that's basically it so if you had a

2154
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:56,960
piece of metal

2155
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:57,920
that had

2156
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,000
abundances that did not

2157
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,080
compare to that on earth

2158
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:04,719
you know it's extraterrestrial can't be

2159
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,880
so that would be a thing you know

2160
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:09,120
along with the composition

2161
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,480
that would be

2162
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:12,800
a definite flag

2163
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,600
the only problem is on some of these

2164
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,920
i've done some isotopic racial

2165
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:20,159
measurements i've had them done on

2166
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:23,360
some metal samples and i have not found

2167
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:26,880
any of these ratios to be different but

2168
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:30,400
we know so little about the aliens

2169
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:31,679
if

2170
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,760
come from earth in the first place you

2171
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,520
know and so maybe there wouldn't be any

2172
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,520
differences yeah well of course we're

2173
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,679
kind of speculating here though yeah

2174
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:43,600
about motives of aliens or even if there

2175
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,960
are aliens

2176
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:46,560
amongst all the things you've

2177
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,239
investigated and you've found a lot of

2178
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:49,840
strange things here

2179
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:53,040
can you say this absolutely 100 percent

2180
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:55,920
did not come from earth no no i haven't

2181
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,480
been able to just it's just these

2182
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,400
bizarre findings that shouldn't be there

2183
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,040
i think i cannot say that i i do have a

2184
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:05,520
meteor somebody sent me just recently

2185
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,600
that i could say that but as far as

2186
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:09,920
alien origin

2187
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,159
there's a medium i can't prove it i

2188
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,000
can't prove it but it's just you know

2189
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:16,320
collect the energy

2190
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:17,600
the

2191
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,800
data and

2192
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:20,159
whatever so

2193
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:21,760
you were talking

2194
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,120
about

2195
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,000
mutilations right i i have a very

2196
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:28,400
interesting case that i looked at

2197
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:29,840
around oh

2198
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,480
seven years ago or so

2199
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,120
and this was a mutilated

2200
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,159
uh buffalo or a bison i should call it

2201
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,480
he had a name he was

2202
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,199
frank was found in the field with all

2203
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:45,679
the typical laser-like incisions and

2204
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:48,560
organ removal and so forth

2205
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,159
and uh

2206
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:52,480
a lady who investigates these and has a

2207
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,520
website in canada sent me some samples a

2208
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,040
bunch of samples

2209
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:00,000
what was really interesting was

2210
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:03,199
there was singed hair on the animal

2211
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:05,840
and so i was sent some singed hair

2212
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:08,320
and i was sent some normal hair

2213
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:12,960
well i went about analyzing it and

2214
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:16,239
i found that there was a substance on

2215
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,320
the singed hair

2216
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,199
and i was able to identify it as

2217
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:23,440
compound known as

2218
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three hydroxy anternilic acid and i have

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no idea

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that you know this is not this could not

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come

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from a common substance

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uh introduced to the by the farmer or

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from the environment of the bison

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uh

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and

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give us an idea of what that particular

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substance could be used for

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or kind of give us an idea of what it is

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what well it it's a compound that in our

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in when i did a literature search it's

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commonly referred uh

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as a metabolic product of tryptophan

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i can say tryptophan was found in high

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level of

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levels in a cow in utah this came from

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mids

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and

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it was thought that maybe the utah

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animal had been sedated with

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tryptophan before euthanasia

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but i don't think this was the case for

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this bison

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because it's on the exterior of the

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animal

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let's look further into this anomaly wow

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this is interesting it sure is we got a

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lot more to come with phyllis buttinger

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and nukes and you're listening to the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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yes when we find anomalies

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we're all just so anxious to figure out

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what's going on phyllis buttinger tell

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us more

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01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:23,600
okay that was basically it but as a

2363
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:27,040
postscript i think um this lady she

2364
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:29,679
released my report on her website

2365
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:32,400
up until then she had one hit on her

2366
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:35,600
website from a u.s government agency

2367
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:38,719
but the day after or two or three days

2368
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:39,679
after

2369
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:42,560
she had 164 hits by u.s government

2370
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,920
agencies

2371
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:45,679
so something

2372
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:47,840
no no this is their interest you know

2373
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,000
also she was in canada though right this

2374
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:52,080
is a canadian case

2375
01:35:57,110 --> 01:35:54,400
which uh province alberta uh

2376
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:57,120
saskatchewan saskatchewan okay uh and

2377
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:59,600
this would have been 2008.

2378
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:00,800
uh yeah

2379
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:03,280
interesting uh was fern uh brazil i

2380
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,719
think uh

2381
01:36:09,910 --> 01:36:07,440
did you ever talk with fern brazil

2382
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:09,920
he's he covered in the late 90s and

2383
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:12,639
early 2000s he covered saskatchewan and

2384
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:18,229
but i'm trying to trying to remember who

2385
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:20,000
this woman could be um you don't have

2386
01:36:23,110 --> 01:36:21,520
barbie campbell

2387
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:23,120
barb campbell okay a name does kind of

2388
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:25,840
ring a bell wow that's uh yeah that's

2389
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:27,840
interesting so this this particular

2390
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:31,040
compound was found on the

2391
01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:32,639
the singed hair sample is what you're

2392
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,120
saying and not found on the other

2393
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,440
um the control sample no the other the

2394
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:39,360
other samples i didn't do much with

2395
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,360
because they were pretty well degraded

2396
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:43,440
by the time i got them but the height

2397
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:45,119
samples and stuff but

2398
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,920
that was the hair sample was it it threw

2399
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,400
me and i have no explanation for it

2400
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,800
except what i mentioned about the

2401
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:54,480
the tryptophan

2402
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,440
and so when you say the government uh

2403
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,199
hit count went to

2404
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,960
the entire yeah

2405
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,480
no that's u.s government correct that's

2406
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,560
not canadian yeah it's u.s government

2407
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:07,199
u.s yeah yeah

2408
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:08,560
well you know

2409
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:11,440
something there picked their interests

2410
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,600
so i don't know what i found no did they

2411
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:16,000
did they actually send uh hide samples

2412
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:19,440
from the incisional area i think she

2413
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:21,360
sent some samples like that but they

2414
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,199
were pretty smelly and degraded by the

2415
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,040
time i got them and they weren't shipped

2416
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,280
properly so well it's good to use

2417
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:29,360
formula and that always helps

2418
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,159
yeah

2419
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,880
because i would have been interested to

2420
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:34,639
hear if there was any uh

2421
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,119
cauterized capillaries um you know

2422
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:40,159
heated up uh um fat in the tissue and

2423
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:42,639
that sort of thing hemoglobin

2424
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:44,239
well that's very interesting i've never

2425
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:46,159
heard that before i've heard a lot of

2426
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:48,400
a lot of things have been found in

2427
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:50,320
mutilated cattle including mescaline

2428
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,560
nicotine barbiturates coagulants

2429
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:54,159
anticoagulants every type of

2430
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,119
tranquilizer you can think of ketamine

2431
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:58,960
the list goes on and on and on

2432
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,119
barbiturates

2433
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:03,679
so yeah we need to do more work

2434
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,000
unfortunately we can't get to most cases

2435
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,400
in a timely manner because scientists

2436
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,159
like you have to open up packages that

2437
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:15,830
yeah somewhere pretty bad

2438
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:17,920
yeah yeah my girlfriend a couple of

2439
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:20,719
times made me strip outside and hose me

2440
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:22,400
down with cold water before she would

2441
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,950
throw those clothes away

2442
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,709
yeah there's nothing like a little vix

2443
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:32,480
under your nose so when you're into

2444
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:35,600
these things oh my god well you want to

2445
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:38,320
talk about some other cases that you've

2446
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:39,760
had

2447
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,400
the opportunity to analyze other

2448
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,040
materials um i mean how many well

2449
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:47,119
approximately how many cases uh

2450
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:49,040
have you been asked to

2451
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,040
to become involved with uh can you give

2452
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:52,480
us a ballpark or

2453
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:56,400
let's see i'd say almost a hundred wow

2454
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,040
well besides the delpho's case uh what's

2455
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:00,880
the most intriguing one

2456
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:03,199
well of course the betty hill dress

2457
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,520
uh oh let's talk about that i totally

2458
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:07,520
forgot about that that you uh

2459
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:10,239
right that kathleen uh got you the dress

2460
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:13,199
and uh yeah she did oh yeah

2461
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,920
this will be interesting uh jade what do

2462
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:16,800
you think

2463
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,679
yeah we should follow that up yeah okay

2464
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,280
well at least it's not panties coming

2465
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,280
from new zealand uh

2466
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:25,199
oh please but then you know if you read

2467
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,040
about that you know what makes it

2468
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:29,679
crazier is that i saw the emails from

2469
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,320
that person in new zealand describing an

2470
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:35,360
explicit detail how those things got

2471
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:36,400
soiled

2472
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:39,119
oh forget it

2473
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,119
i don't think i want to read about that

2474
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:46,470
well let's let's talk betty hill and and

2475
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:49,199
the uh the infamous dress uh not many i

2476
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:50,320
don't think there's many people that

2477
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:51,920
really know that some work was done on

2478
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:53,199
that dress and

2479
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,880
yeah and uh

2480
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:56,800
let's let's talk about it

2481
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,000
do your listeners know the case maybe

2482
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,320
you should go over the case and

2483
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:04,719
the background on any analysis is you've

2484
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:06,080
got to get as much background

2485
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:07,920
information right and we've covered the

2486
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,480
the hill case on a number of times

2487
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,239
not only with kathleen but with other

2488
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:14,639
abduction researchers so i think most of

2489
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:16,719
our most of our listeners are aware that

2490
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,600
uh this could be called the first real

2491
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,760
i guess documented case of alien

2492
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,520
abduction really

2493
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:25,920
claimed alien abduction this was back in

2494
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:28,960
the early 60s life magazine finally

2495
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,560
covered it and

2496
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,199
john fuller wrote interrupted journey

2497
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:35,520
which i read as a kid

2498
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,000
i think in high school so i think most

2499
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,400
people are aware of the of the case but

2500
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,400
and also betty hill

2501
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,880
just as a little aside here she actually

2502
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:47,199
did a very good job investigating the

2503
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:49,280
only known cattle mutilation case in new

2504
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:51,360
hampshire did you know that no she no i

2505
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:54,159
didn't yeah she wrote up quite a

2506
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:56,960
very professionally well

2507
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,199
written uh piece on what turned out to

2508
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:01,360
be the only calculation ever reported in

2509
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,800
new hampshire

2510
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,639
starring betty hill

2511
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:07,440
so anyway why don't you go ahead and

2512
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:08,960
set it up how did you get ahold of the

2513
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,280
dress okay about 2001 i i didn't

2514
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:15,199
i became aware that the dress she was

2515
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:18,080
wearing uh during the abduction existed

2516
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:20,080
i didn't know that and i read about it

2517
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,880
in the mufon journal which was the 40th

2518
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:25,199
anniversary commemoration issue of the

2519
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,159
event so that's when i contacted kathy

2520
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:30,639
martin betty's niece

2521
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,320
and soon she sent me uh some uh swatches

2522
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,440
from the dress and i i should tell you

2523
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:39,600
the details about the dress you hear

2524
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,880
about the story but it it helped a lot

2525
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:44,800
to make some for me to make some

2526
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:47,840
interesting speculations

2527
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,719
not many uh details on the dress history

2528
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:52,560
are documented but

2529
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:55,679
the dress she wore that night was new um

2530
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,800
it was

2531
01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:58,880
only one other day during that weekend

2532
01:42:01,669 --> 01:42:00,000
but not be

2533
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,679
not the day before the abduction

2534
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,080
therefore which was fortunate it had

2535
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:06,400
never been laundered

2536
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,280
and so forth and

2537
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:11,520
when the abduction began uh betty

2538
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,679
recalls that two beings were on each

2539
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,600
side of her and escorted her to the

2540
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,280
craft with their

2541
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,360
hands under her arms

2542
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:21,600
and she told me she said i put up a hell

2543
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,199
of a fight before i crossed the

2544
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:24,960
threshold she said

2545
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,280
and i asked with whether she hit with

2546
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,280
her hands and

2547
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:31,440
and she said oh no i kicked like hill

2548
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:34,560
because my arms were restricted well the

2549
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:37,840
dress obviously suffered stresses

2550
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:40,159
and then while on the craft she

2551
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,679
remembers that halfway through the

2552
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,679
physical they decided to remove the

2553
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,840
dress and they had difficulties with the

2554
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:46,960
zipper

2555
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:49,520
and once removed she said the dress

2556
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:53,520
ended up in a heap on the craft floor

2557
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:55,040
and

2558
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:57,199
but what happened was uh

2559
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:59,679
she got home

2560
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,719
she

2561
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:02,400
put the dress folded in the bottom of

2562
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:04,000
the closet and it remained there for

2563
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:05,600
several days

2564
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,000
since she finally removed it and it was

2565
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,800
covered with a pink powder so she threw

2566
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,880
it in the trash and then she quickly

2567
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:14,800
changed her mind she put it out in the

2568
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:17,199
doors in the sun and the powder blew

2569
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:18,880
away unfortunately

2570
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,960
but not all of it did i don't believe

2571
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,119
but it left stains

2572
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:25,440
all pink stains all over and these were

2573
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,639
where the entities had touched the dress

2574
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:30,400
interesting enough

2575
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:32,480
uh and the lining on the on the right

2576
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,119
side was torn from the waist to the ham

2577
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,600
and the top of the zipper was ripped

2578
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:39,440
and of course because of the damage it

2579
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,679
couldn't be worn again

2580
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:46,629
i took

2581
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:49,360
i did a lot of analysis on this

2582
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:52,560
it's actually

2583
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:01,270
black fault archives

2584
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,550
well

2585
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,480
i noticed that i could make some

2586
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:06,880
conclusions well it was obvious that the

2587
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:10,239
pink areas of the dress uh

2588
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:12,000
suffered you know some kind of chemical

2589
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:14,080
effects and both the dye and the fiber

2590
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:15,600
were attacked

2591
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,800
and there was a biologically derived

2592
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:20,880
material on there and i think i'm pretty

2593
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:23,119
sure that it's mildew

2594
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:24,400
and

2595
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:27,280
the highest concentration uh was in the

2596
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:29,199
pink areas

2597
01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:31,520
and it was found mostly to be on the

2598
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,159
exterior the dress

2599
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:35,920
not the interior

2600
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,480
except for the underarm swatch then that

2601
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,679
was totally

2602
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:41,280
permeated with that

2603
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,000
so i could definitely say that

2604
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:46,560
these were not elimination products from

2605
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:49,520
betty or body respiration uh

2606
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,320
you know elimination products

2607
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:54,000
and there's

2608
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:56,080
traces amounts of natural common

2609
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:57,520
materials like

2610
01:45:02,070 --> 01:44:59,440
dust and so forth that you'd find on a

2611
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:02,080
dress which hung in a closet

2612
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:03,600
let's do our break here and continue

2613
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:06,560
with this analysis of that dress

2614
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:08,159
we're not talking about garment that was

2615
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,600
worn by one of

2616
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:11,440
bill clinton's girlfriends we're talking

2617
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:14,320
about betty hill

2618
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,400
okay just want to clarify that for no

2619
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,239
reason whatever we've got

2620
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,080
sure let's continue

2621
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2656
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2657
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underemployment rate hit a staggering

2658
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2659
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2660
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recent college graduates are

2661
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2662
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[Applause]

2677
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:49,760
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2678
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:53,440
standard of paranormal radio

2679
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:54,719
and now

2680
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:58,010
here's jane steinberg

2681
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:04,870
betty hill's dress phyllis sputtinger

2682
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:08,560
tell us more okay um well the stuff i

2683
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:10,719
found you know you you could not say it

2684
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:13,600
was from an alien or unknown source i

2685
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:17,040
did have dna analysis done and i just

2686
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:18,800
want to mention one thing most of it was

2687
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,639
human dna in that but there was one

2688
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:23,679
uh

2689
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:24,719
that

2690
01:48:31,310 --> 01:48:29,280
was called um they found a uh bacteria

2691
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:31,320
and it was called proteobac

2692
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:32,880
proteobacterium

2693
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:35,280
and this is soil bacteria which could be

2694
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:37,119
picked up anywhere

2695
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:38,639
and

2696
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:41,199
if the dress was on the ground it could

2697
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:43,520
have gotten there easily

2698
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:45,199
but because of the location of the

2699
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:47,920
bacteria which was on the left sleeve

2700
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,080
it's it's uh if that he was wearing the

2701
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:51,840
dress she would have to be in the prone

2702
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:53,840
position flat on the ground at some

2703
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:54,880
point

2704
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,400
and this is highly unlikely and the only

2705
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:01,199
time we know that the dress was on the

2706
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,320
ground

2707
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,239
was when the dress was removed from

2708
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:06,480
betty in the craft and thrown crumbled

2709
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:07,840
on the

2710
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:08,880
craft

2711
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,080
floor

2712
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,639
and i think some of this bacteria could

2713
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,639
easily have been from soiled dirt on the

2714
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:15,840
floor

2715
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:18,800
brought in on footwear worn by betty and

2716
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:21,040
the entities because the abduction did

2717
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:23,199
take place on a dirt road

2718
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,480
so i think

2719
01:49:30,109 --> 01:49:26,880
that was interesting

2720
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:30,119
and i do have some

2721
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,560
speculations uh

2722
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:34,320
from the analysis

2723
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:36,560
and again a lot of background from betty

2724
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:37,920
is uh

2725
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,639
it was necessary for this

2726
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:43,119
what this stress was literally a new

2727
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,239
dress that was reduced to a rag as a

2728
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:48,080
result of some something bizarre

2729
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,360
happening

2730
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:51,440
that's absolutely no question

2731
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:54,719
and from the chemical analysis i did

2732
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:57,360
uh it supports betty's account of the

2733
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,320
event

2734
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,320
and i found nothing nothing at all that

2735
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:02,800
would contradict her story

2736
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:06,400
so i have some speculations

2737
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:08,960
uh betty told me there was a most

2738
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:11,920
unpleasant unidentifiable odor on the

2739
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:13,360
craft

2740
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:15,600
and i think this odor could have

2741
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:16,960
emanated

2742
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:19,280
from the craft occupants and could be

2743
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:20,480
the result of

2744
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:21,920
well natural

2745
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:24,480
body elimination of oils or respiratory

2746
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:27,199
agents so i guess some aliens sweat and

2747
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,119
smell

2748
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,679
these i think were transformed to the

2749
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:33,760
dress on contact

2750
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,360
and as i said before the pink areas

2751
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:39,280
are most profound right around the top

2752
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:41,360
of the dress and especially around the

2753
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,920
sleeves where the entities grip

2754
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:45,280
betty as they

2755
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:48,080
uh took her to and from the craft and

2756
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:49,760
wherever there was contact on the dress

2757
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:53,840
by aliens there was a pink discoloration

2758
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:55,520
i think

2759
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:57,840
what happened is

2760
01:51:04,470 --> 01:50:58,719
the

2761
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,480
probably also on her skin because i

2762
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,480
didn't mention this but

2763
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:08,480
both her and

2764
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:10,880
barney felt really clammy and dirty

2765
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:16,950
well i don't think that the stuff that

2766
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:19,440
was originally deposited on the dress

2767
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:21,040
directly caused

2768
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:23,520
the discoloration to pink

2769
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:25,679
because betty found it days later when

2770
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:27,840
she took the dress out of the closet i

2771
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,480
think the substance was probably moist

2772
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,280
and so the moisture moisture

2773
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:35,360
didn't dissipate because she had folded

2774
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:36,880
the dress up

2775
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:39,840
and i think this moist substance

2776
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:41,920
served as a nutrient for a natural

2777
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:44,239
biological growth which i think was

2778
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:45,440
mildew

2779
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:47,280
and this grew

2780
01:51:51,270 --> 01:51:49,520
and days later the dress dried and the

2781
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:51,280
powdery residue

2782
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:54,080
from this whatever grew

2783
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:55,679
it remained

2784
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,400
so it was the mildew type material that

2785
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:00,719
i feel caused the discoloration and

2786
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,719
possibly interacted with the dress fiber

2787
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:09,430
by the way um let's see

2788
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,840
the entity on the right when she had the

2789
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:13,520
uh

2790
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:14,639
scuffle

2791
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:17,760
uh when it was or taken across the uh

2792
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,960
threshold

2793
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,800
i think took the brunt of her attack

2794
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:22,880
because this is where the lining is

2795
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:25,119
ripped and also it's noted that the

2796
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:27,599
right sleeve swatch is totally permanent

2797
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:30,719
permeated with the with the miller-like

2798
01:52:35,109 --> 01:52:32,960
material and so i think a tighter grip

2799
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,119
on her was necessary

2800
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:37,119
well betty was right-handed too so that

2801
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:39,119
would have been her her go-to hand to

2802
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:40,239
fight

2803
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:44,800
um you know also um

2804
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:48,320
uh other things um

2805
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,360
i think that the soil bacteria uh

2806
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:53,440
remained and well i previously mentioned

2807
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:55,599
that i i think it got

2808
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,679
it was tracked in it was from dirt

2809
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:59,920
tracked in by the uh

2810
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,800
the uh craft and when and picked up by

2811
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:05,040
the dress when it was on the floor

2812
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:06,719
so um

2813
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:07,679
anyway

2814
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:09,440
it's rather interesting some people

2815
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:11,520
might say well why didn't barney's

2816
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:13,040
clothes turn

2817
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:15,840
pink or discolor well as soon as he got

2818
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,199
home that on the day of the

2819
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,199
event he had all of his clothes and

2820
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:23,199
everything cleaned

2821
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:24,239
so

2822
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:27,040
that didn't happen to his clothes

2823
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:28,719
but um

2824
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:31,360
anyhow that's about what i came to the

2825
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:33,679
conclusion um

2826
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:35,040
i think

2827
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:37,760
it supports whatever she said there were

2828
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,159
other things on other fragments i found

2829
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:42,000
on there but you know those were the

2830
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:43,760
most

2831
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:46,000
uh profound like for instance i found

2832
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,960
some

2833
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:49,199
spider bloods where she sat on a on a

2834
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,560
bench

2835
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:52,239
when she had a hot dog on her way down

2836
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,280
because she sat on a spider

2837
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:57,280
and a lot of things like that but

2838
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,199
everything that she said it just just

2839
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:01,360
followed perfectly

2840
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:04,239
but wouldn't there be something if this

2841
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:07,360
dress had been in a spacecraft

2842
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,199
that would indicate

2843
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:10,960
coming into contact with something that

2844
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:14,000
was not of this earth

2845
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,550
well i think that

2846
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:22,480
she did come in contact with something i

2847
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,040
think the aliens uh

2848
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:27,599
uh respiratory products and i think

2849
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:30,080
that's that can be explained that i

2850
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:32,960
think that's what cost though a whole

2851
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:35,119
generation of mildew and whole nine

2852
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:37,440
yards and uh

2853
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,840
so she they she and she did mention the

2854
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:42,320
odor and i said what did it smell like

2855
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,119
you know the earliest analytical uh

2856
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:47,440
instruments ever made was man's five

2857
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:50,159
senses so i always ask that to people

2858
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,760
what did it what

2859
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:53,599
what did it smell like when you went

2860
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:55,840
into the craft she's i don't know it was

2861
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:58,000
most unpleasant she says

2862
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:01,040
and then later on uh kathy told me

2863
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:02,800
that he thought it smelled like

2864
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:04,480
marigolds

2865
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:06,239
so

2866
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:08,080
that's the closest she could smell like

2867
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:11,360
what marigolds

2868
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,199
oh yeah yeah kind of a

2869
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,360
yeah they're not too fragrant i mean

2870
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:17,040
they're fragrant but they're

2871
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,199
not too they don't smell so good even

2872
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:21,119
the deer won't go near them well they

2873
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:21,840
they

2874
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:25,840
away

2875
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:28,239
yeah yeah exactly yeah it's kind of a

2876
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:29,440
bitter

2877
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,639
coin

2878
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,320
it's kind of hard to describe peppery

2879
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:34,159
almost

2880
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:37,040
yeah it's irritating smell yeah yeah

2881
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,119
um well how about other uh abduction

2882
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:41,440
cases have you been asked to analyze

2883
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:43,280
other articles of clothing i would think

2884
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,880
that uh that this would be an automatic

2885
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,280
no-brainer for people like david jacobs

2886
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:52,080
uh the late bud hopkins and others

2887
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,360
to have bed clothing analyzed that um

2888
01:55:59,990 --> 01:55:57,280
that were allegedly worn during one of

2889
01:56:02,229 --> 01:56:00,000
these types of visitations or abductions

2890
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:02,239
has anyone ever contacted you further

2891
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:04,880
about doing work with current uh cases

2892
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:06,880
let's hold that answer till our next

2893
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,719
segment and we'll have more with phyllis

2894
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:10,320
sputtinger and we'll find out whether

2895
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,239
she's been contacted by

2896
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:14,880
anyone else involved in researching

2897
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:17,280
ufo abduction cases after having

2898
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:20,880
analyzed that dress worn by betty hill

2899
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:22,239
oh boy

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02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:09,360
question on the table but it's not on

3039
02:02:12,070 --> 02:02:10,960
that piece of paper that's just my show

3040
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:12,080
schedule

3041
02:02:16,070 --> 02:02:13,440
so phyllis

3042
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:16,080
as you were asked been in contact with

3043
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:18,320
anyone else with regard to a ufo

3044
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:19,920
abduction case

3045
02:02:24,310 --> 02:02:23,040
yes i'm working on one right now but uh

3046
02:02:27,589 --> 02:02:24,320
the

3047
02:02:29,589 --> 02:02:27,599
kathy martin uh sent me a t-shirt a

3048
02:02:32,070 --> 02:02:29,599
couple years ago

3049
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:32,080
and i just finished i did a lot of work

3050
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:35,440
on it and darn i can't find anything on

3051
02:02:40,629 --> 02:02:38,560
it it's um it was faded she says is it

3052
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:40,639
related to what happened to betty's

3053
02:02:44,790 --> 02:02:42,880
dress well i could the only

3054
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:44,800
thing i could tell it was it definitely

3055
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:46,880
was not the same same thing that

3056
02:02:51,669 --> 02:02:49,679
happened to betty's dress

3057
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:51,679
there was no substance on it that i

3058
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:53,280
could identify

3059
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:56,239
and either that substance was gone

3060
02:03:00,629 --> 02:02:58,480
or either it was some kind of an energy

3061
02:03:03,350 --> 02:03:00,639
source that caused the coloration that's

3062
02:03:04,870 --> 02:03:03,360
all i could come up with but i did a lot

3063
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:04,880
of work on that

3064
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:07,440
uh it a lot of these samples that come

3065
02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:08,800
in are

3066
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:10,960
actually research projects

3067
02:03:15,589 --> 02:03:13,679
and the clothing is one such thing you

3068
02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:15,599
know it takes me a long time and i try

3069
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:17,760
everything i can think of i put my whole

3070
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:21,280
bag of analytical tricks on this t-shirt

3071
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:23,840
and at least i could say no this was

3072
02:03:29,189 --> 02:03:26,800
entirely different than uh

3073
02:03:31,589 --> 02:03:29,199
what happened to betty hill's dress

3074
02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:31,599
but i couldn't pick up anything outside

3075
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:34,159
of common mundane things you'd find on a

3076
02:03:38,790 --> 02:03:37,040
t-shirt uh this was a different

3077
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:38,800
substance than betty i mean it was

3078
02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:40,960
cotton betty's dress with cellulose

3079
02:03:45,910 --> 02:03:43,119
acetate it was

3080
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:45,920
the dye and fiber had not been attacked

3081
02:03:49,350 --> 02:03:47,599
like betty's

3082
02:03:51,910 --> 02:03:49,360
there was absolutely no substance

3083
02:03:55,030 --> 02:03:51,920
identifiable on there and

3084
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:57,669
the speculations i made were that was

3085
02:04:01,350 --> 02:03:59,599
the best i could come up with there's

3086
02:04:03,750 --> 02:04:01,360
nothing there

3087
02:04:06,629 --> 02:04:03,760
so it was there or

3088
02:04:08,709 --> 02:04:06,639
uh it was an energy source or something

3089
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:08,719
well certainly we're getting slightly

3090
02:04:13,750 --> 02:04:11,760
graphic here if someone claims

3091
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:13,760
that they were

3092
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:16,960
sexually probed by aliens or somehow

3093
02:04:20,790 --> 02:04:19,520
involved in an effort to create a hybrid

3094
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:20,800
humanoid

3095
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:22,800
alien there ought to be some kind of

3096
02:04:27,109 --> 02:04:25,360
physical evidence around unless e.t is

3097
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:27,119
being very circumspect and cleaning

3098
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:29,599
everything up well they're cagey i'll

3099
02:04:33,109 --> 02:04:31,520
tell you from what i've been the stuff

3100
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:33,119
i've been getting

3101
02:04:36,870 --> 02:04:34,639
they're cagey

3102
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:36,880
yeah maybe they have some sort of

3103
02:04:38,950 --> 02:04:37,760
um

3104
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:38,960
energy

3105
02:04:42,310 --> 02:04:40,800
process that

3106
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:42,320
that totally

3107
02:04:45,990 --> 02:04:44,719
erases all trace of something you just

3108
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:46,000
you just don't know

3109
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:47,760
well the interesting thing about this

3110
02:04:53,189 --> 02:04:50,880
one was the man's cell phone was on and

3111
02:04:55,830 --> 02:04:53,199
recording and toward the end of the

3112
02:04:59,750 --> 02:04:55,840
recording there was a

3113
02:05:01,910 --> 02:04:59,760
purple neon type light that was on the

3114
02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:01,920
on the phone and i don't know if it's

3115
02:05:04,870 --> 02:05:03,440
related or not

3116
02:05:07,430 --> 02:05:04,880
but that's again that's where the

3117
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:07,440
background information comes in handy

3118
02:05:11,830 --> 02:05:09,599
was it connected with that and

3119
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:11,840
interesting enough the t-shirt

3120
02:05:15,430 --> 02:05:13,920
when he uh woke up

3121
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:15,440
he sat on the edge of the bed at four

3122
02:05:19,430 --> 02:05:16,960
o'clock in the morning

3123
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:19,440
and next thing you knew it was

3124
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:20,719
eight o'clock

3125
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:23,520
and his t-shirt was on inside out and

3126
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:24,639
backwards

3127
02:05:27,990 --> 02:05:25,440
so

3128
02:05:30,229 --> 02:05:28,000
i could tell things like okay he said he

3129
02:05:32,830 --> 02:05:30,239
was sweating profusely i could say okay

3130
02:05:37,589 --> 02:05:32,840
the sweat was more

3131
02:05:38,629 --> 02:05:37,599
um um abundant on the uh inside which

3132
02:05:40,070 --> 02:05:38,639
meant

3133
02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:40,080
since it was inside out when he was

3134
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:42,480
there that the lion's share of the

3135
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:45,280
perspiration came

3136
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:47,440
before the shirt was removed i could

3137
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:49,679
find out all kinds of things like that

3138
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:52,239
but to find out what it was i

3139
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:54,719
paused i don't know uh

3140
02:06:00,310 --> 02:05:58,239
the perspiration was

3141
02:06:01,669 --> 02:06:00,320
the only thing i could find in abundance

3142
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:01,679
and i don't think that caused the

3143
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:03,520
staining and besides here's the

3144
02:06:09,030 --> 02:06:06,000
interesting thing about that it was it

3145
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:09,040
had all pink fading spots faded spots on

3146
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:11,440
there but it gradually restored back to

3147
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:13,760
its original color

3148
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:16,239
over time and i i couldn't tell wow

3149
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:18,480
that's interesting yeah yeah so it's a

3150
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:19,920
weird one

3151
02:06:24,070 --> 02:06:21,360
and um

3152
02:06:27,510 --> 02:06:26,470
how could you explain that with a

3153
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:27,520
mundane

3154
02:06:33,589 --> 02:06:31,920
yeah unless again some energy source and

3155
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:33,599
something uh

3156
02:06:37,189 --> 02:06:35,440
yeah but is there anything

3157
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:37,199
anything conventional that that could

3158
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:39,520
account for that kind of uh

3159
02:06:43,669 --> 02:06:41,360
of um effect

3160
02:06:45,189 --> 02:06:43,679
well i'll tell you if your listeners out

3161
02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:45,199
there are listening please tell me

3162
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:47,520
because i put uv light on it infrared

3163
02:06:52,709 --> 02:06:49,599
light on it i put it in the microwave i

3164
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,719
did everything trying to uh turn it you

3165
02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:54,400
know to a pink color

3166
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:57,280
my speculation was that maybe there was

3167
02:07:02,390 --> 02:06:59,840
an energy source that raised things up

3168
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,400
to a higher higher energy level and then

3169
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:04,639
it slowly released itself and the color

3170
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:05,840
went back

3171
02:07:09,030 --> 02:07:07,520
but why pink that's interesting there's

3172
02:07:11,910 --> 02:07:09,040
a correlation there between the hill

3173
02:07:13,270 --> 02:07:11,920
case you know 50 years before that's

3174
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:13,280
pretty interesting

3175
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:16,000
yeah but uh still it was not the same

3176
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,199
thing that uh definitely not the same

3177
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:21,840
process that uh happened to the pity

3178
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:23,040
right but it's

3179
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:26,159
the same color yeah i know i know so

3180
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:28,000
maybe these are um

3181
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,480
i don't know um fashionably challenged

3182
02:07:36,430 --> 02:07:33,119
uh aliens that are still stuck in the uh

3183
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:36,440
the pink and uh pastel 80s or something

3184
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:40,079
[Laughter]

3185
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:41,840
i think i even had a pink jacket back

3186
02:07:46,470 --> 02:07:43,360
then actually yeah

3187
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:46,480
pink and black yeah yeah

3188
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:49,040
yeah yeah oh my goodness well why

3189
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:50,880
haven't more people contacted you i

3190
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:52,960
would think that you would be inundated

3191
02:07:56,950 --> 02:07:54,800
yeah i'll tell you i i've got some more

3192
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:56,960
clothing now from a more recent event

3193
02:08:01,510 --> 02:07:58,880
that happened here in ohio

3194
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:01,520
and uh it was a missing time uh in a

3195
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:03,119
state park where

3196
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:04,960
some fishermen it's it's very similar to

3197
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:08,719
the allagash story right right and um

3198
02:08:12,790 --> 02:08:10,000
at night

3199
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:12,800
something happened uh missing time they

3200
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:15,360
woke up the campfire was out and i have

3201
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:18,320
all the clothing from them and i'm just

3202
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:20,639
working on that now you're going to find

3203
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:22,480
fish cuts salmon eggs

3204
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:24,159
bacon grease

3205
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:25,920
probably a little whiskey

3206
02:08:31,030 --> 02:08:28,000
well i i've been i found the guy was a

3207
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,040
construction worker and i found paint on

3208
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:33,599
the front but you know i'm just working

3209
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:36,320
on it uh one thing it interests me and

3210
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:38,560
it might not mean anything but

3211
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:41,920
um i found on the sleeves um

3212
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:44,719
stains that could only be observed by uv

3213
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:47,280
light putting them over i'm focusing on

3214
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:48,960
on that now and i

3215
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:50,800
trying to isolate that so i can get a

3216
02:08:57,510 --> 02:08:54,159
better look at it yeah there are some uh

3217
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:57,520
lubricants and automotive products that

3218
02:09:02,069 --> 02:08:59,920
that fluoresce exactly yeah so i don't

3219
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:02,079
know i'm i'm getting

3220
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,400
uh i'm extracting and i'm doing things

3221
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:06,960
on that and i i don't know maybe i'll

3222
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,360
find something like that mundane

3223
02:09:15,030 --> 02:09:11,440
well you got the bag of tricks to uh to

3224
02:09:17,109 --> 02:09:15,040
throw at the at the equation here

3225
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:17,119
oh man this is great stuff this kind of

3226
02:09:21,189 --> 02:09:18,880
show i like phyllis when we can actually

3227
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,199
talk to a real scientist doing real

3228
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:23,040
science and uh

3229
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:26,719
with a an objective uh view of this

3230
02:09:29,910 --> 02:09:27,840
particular

3231
02:09:31,750 --> 02:09:29,920
these mysteries if we will but you keep

3232
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:31,760
seeing uh saying aliens it sounds like

3233
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:33,599
you really have a sense that we are

3234
02:09:36,030 --> 02:09:34,480
being

3235
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:36,040
visited by

3236
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:38,320
extraterrestrials uh of course you did

3237
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:39,840
mention the the possibility of

3238
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:40,960
dimensional

3239
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:42,560
some sort of meta-terrestrial if you

3240
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:44,960
will or even time you know chrono knots

3241
02:09:49,109 --> 02:09:47,520
maybe it's andrew bassaggio coming back

3242
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:49,119
from the future trying to

3243
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:52,159
mess with everybody um before we go on

3244
02:09:57,350 --> 02:09:55,119
and we go back to the future man

3245
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:57,360
well all right that's where we have the

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flying

3247
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roller derbies and everything

3248
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and the flying cars why don't we have

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flying cars as they head in back to the

3250
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future i'm really concerned over that

3251
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they do they're they're just now coming

3252
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out yeah well i guess we've been late

3253
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they even have a a flying drone that

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concede a pilot well i'm very conceited

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02:14:49,870 --> 02:14:47,520
this is kurt 70 author of ufo mysteries

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and you're listening to the paracast

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3375
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with gene and chris and phyllis

3376
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sputtinger we're looking at nuts and

3377
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bolts ufo research so let me ask you

3378
02:15:04,069 --> 02:15:01,360
phyllis we've covered a number of cases

3379
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:04,079
here betty hill's dress

3380
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:06,159
delphos kansas

3381
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,159
things that you've analyzed is there

3382
02:15:12,229 --> 02:15:10,159
anything anywhere

3383
02:15:14,550 --> 02:15:12,239
that gives us any real clues as to the

3384
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,560
origins of ufos

3385
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:16,719
the origin origins i

3386
02:15:21,750 --> 02:15:19,920
your guess is as good as mine i uh

3387
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:21,760
i lean toward

3388
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:24,239
the in the dimensional one because of

3389
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:25,119
the

3390
02:15:30,310 --> 02:15:27,840
craft that i saw go disappear but i

3391
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:30,320
think it could be both extraterrestrial

3392
02:15:33,830 --> 02:15:33,119
and dimensional it could be

3393
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:33,840
but

3394
02:16:00,470 --> 02:15:34,639
i

3395
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:00,480
we just need more data a lot more data

3396
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:02,880
well i think after all these years is

3397
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:04,880
there a reason you think why we don't

3398
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:07,440
have that data i mean even if we start

3399
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:08,800
ufos

3400
02:16:13,350 --> 02:16:11,760
in 1947 which of course is not where it

3401
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:13,360
would generally start

3402
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:14,560
why

3403
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:16,000
is it that way

3404
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:16,800
i

3405
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:21,199
properly analyzed

3406
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:23,040
because i don't know of anybody that did

3407
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:25,520
a really great job of it in the in the

3408
02:16:28,709 --> 02:16:26,639
past

3409
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:28,719
i can remember reading about some

3410
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:30,719
techniques that were

3411
02:16:34,150 --> 02:16:32,800
done on some samples in the past that

3412
02:16:35,990 --> 02:16:34,160
were totally

3413
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:36,000
preposterous to use that why would you

3414
02:16:40,309 --> 02:16:38,399
use something that you know that

3415
02:16:42,389 --> 02:16:40,319
you put through a chromatic graphic

3416
02:16:43,830 --> 02:16:42,399
column that

3417
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:43,840
was uh

3418
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:44,559
not

3419
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,319
soluble in something or or

3420
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:50,719
why would you send a sample to a a

3421
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:53,200
doctor an md that happened a number of

3422
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:56,399
times they think a doctor because he

3423
02:17:01,349 --> 02:16:58,960
he's a doctor knows all about analysis

3424
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:01,359
of materials you know or it was sent to

3425
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:03,439
the wrong people well he's got lots of

3426
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:05,760
fancy gear you know he's got lots of

3427
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:11,030
yeah

3428
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:12,639
so

3429
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:15,200
i i think that the people that have been

3430
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:16,880
analyzing this

3431
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:20,559
some people were very good but they uh

3432
02:17:25,349 --> 02:17:22,800
i it has never been archived i haven't

3433
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,359
seen much data in the literature

3434
02:17:28,950 --> 02:17:27,599
some have

3435
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:28,960
i think

3436
02:17:32,790 --> 02:17:30,559
the angel hair

3437
02:17:36,629 --> 02:17:32,800
stuff a lot of work was done on that

3438
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,639
that was uh reliable uh well at first i

3439
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:38,880
didn't think so but i found out that a

3440
02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:41,040
lot of it that comes

3441
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:44,000
in is mostly spider web and you can see

3442
02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:46,160
that just by a microscope because it has

3443
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:49,040
little droplets on it and sometimes eggs

3444
02:17:51,830 --> 02:17:50,240
but uh

3445
02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:51,840
yeah but real angel hair usually

3446
02:17:56,950 --> 02:17:54,080
disappears i mean it dissolves away and

3447
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:56,960
i yeah i had one case like that most

3448
02:18:02,790 --> 02:17:59,519
stuff about all the stuff i ever saw was

3449
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:02,800
uh spider hair but i had one case where

3450
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:05,439
uh it wasn't the typical uh

3451
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:09,359
spider hair uh i mean angel hair it

3452
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:10,479
sort of

3453
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:13,599
dissolved and it was a foamy material

3454
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:16,399
and it did dissolve and

3455
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:19,200
went away and

3456
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:23,280
before i could do much work on it so

3457
02:18:27,910 --> 02:18:25,359
it was a problem but i did find it was a

3458
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:27,920
natural products we we did some i had a

3459
02:18:32,790 --> 02:18:29,920
friend of mine do with this

3460
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:32,800
method called gcms

3461
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:34,800
and uh

3462
02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:37,760
he also uh headspace gcms to look at the

3463
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:39,519
vapors and stuff and it was a lot of

3464
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:41,040
natural uh

3465
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:45,519
products uh decomposition products from

3466
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:48,080
i call them amides i don't know

3467
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:50,080
have you ever heard of a yellowish kind

3468
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:53,040
of slightly oily material that is uh

3469
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:55,280
mostly translucent kind of reminds you

3470
02:19:02,070 --> 02:18:59,040
of of of a clear orange marmalade

3471
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:02,080
type material that's that's that's oily

3472
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:05,359
and has some bubbles in it

3473
02:19:09,910 --> 02:19:08,080
i collected some off

3474
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:09,920
actually the neck

3475
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:11,599
of my very first uh

3476
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:14,160
field investigation and

3477
02:19:18,469 --> 02:19:16,399
i sealed it in a film container and

3478
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:18,479
signed my name it was duct tape clothes

3479
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:21,040
and all that and we sent it that day

3480
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:23,200
overnight to denver

3481
02:19:27,349 --> 02:19:25,120
and it arrived the next morning

3482
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:27,359
and when uh john all schuler opened up

3483
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:29,200
the vial there was nothing in the vial

3484
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:31,439
nothing and we had collected enough

3485
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:34,240
material to put a nice blob on a quarter

3486
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:35,599
so there was you know quite a bit of

3487
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:36,960
material there

3488
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:37,920
and

3489
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:40,240
he did a test on the violin said not

3490
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:42,719
only was the material gone he said

3491
02:19:47,429 --> 02:19:44,000
the only thing that had ever been in the

3492
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:47,439
container was film

3493
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:49,200
have you ever ever had heard that is

3494
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:50,800
this yellow kind of material i've heard

3495
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:54,000
of it on other few cases i you know uh

3496
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:55,439
it's funny you should mention that

3497
02:20:00,790 --> 02:19:59,200
because i got a sample from

3498
02:20:02,630 --> 02:20:00,800
new hampshire

3499
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:02,640
where is it i think this is an

3500
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:04,160
experience

3501
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:07,120
uh there's a lot of high ufo activity in

3502
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:12,160
this area and she sent me a rubber glove

3503
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:14,960
which she found this material gooey

3504
02:20:20,070 --> 02:20:18,080
something like that outside and it it

3505
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:20,080
dissolved the glove

3506
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:22,000
and i'm trying to figure out what it is

3507
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:24,960
and i'm not very far in the analysis but

3508
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:27,280
i've got a lot of spectra on it but i'm

3509
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:29,840
in process of interpreting it so it

3510
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:31,840
might be something similar to what you

3511
02:20:35,590 --> 02:20:32,640
had

3512
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:35,600
she she described it uh um

3513
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:37,840
similar as yellow in color and

3514
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:40,000
kind of yeah it's sort of yellowish and

3515
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:41,840
of course the glove is yellow too but

3516
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:45,359
it's it's a gooey sticky material and

3517
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,399
and it didn't

3518
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:48,640
actually attack the rubber glove and

3519
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:53,349
well if it's the same stuff it should

3520
02:20:57,590 --> 02:20:55,600
have it should have burnt into or

3521
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:57,600
dissolved the plastic of the film

3522
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:59,520
canister you would think but yeah you

3523
02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:00,880
know you can't assume anything in this

3524
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:03,520
room no no no

3525
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:05,280
well have you you know you've been

3526
02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:07,600
interested in these subjects for quite a

3527
02:21:12,710 --> 02:21:11,040
number of years now going on 20 years

3528
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:12,720
in terms of being officially involved

3529
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:14,880
and doing testing and that sort of thing

3530
02:21:19,510 --> 02:21:17,280
have you got any sort of uh negativity

3531
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:19,520
or blowback from uh the professional

3532
02:21:24,790 --> 02:21:21,439
community that uh you know you've been

3533
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:24,800
obviously working for 30 35 years uh as

3534
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:27,120
a professional analytical chemist have

3535
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:30,240
you had any snitting or uh have you had

3536
02:21:34,469 --> 02:21:32,000
people supporting your work and saying

3537
02:21:36,870 --> 02:21:34,479
wow you know i wish i had the gumption

3538
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:36,880
to do that or whatever right

3539
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:38,640
or do you keep try to keep everything

3540
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:40,080
separate do your colleagues know that

3541
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:41,840
you're even involved in this oh yeah

3542
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:43,920
they know they know

3543
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:45,760
in fact um

3544
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:51,429
don't

3545
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:55,120
in the topic and there's only been a

3546
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:56,800
couple that have let me said it to me

3547
02:22:00,230 --> 02:21:57,600
but

3548
02:22:01,110 --> 02:22:00,240
they all ask me all kinds of questions

3549
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:01,120
um

3550
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:02,880
in some facts some have even had

3551
02:22:06,830 --> 02:22:05,280
suggestions for analysis

3552
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:06,840
i haven't had

3553
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:10,000
the backlash uh

3554
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:11,120
that that

3555
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:13,920
that bad i think a lot of them

3556
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:16,240
offered to help i sort of recall an

3557
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,240
incident that happened

3558
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:20,880
it was after i retired a friend of mine

3559
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:23,280
was working for a large company

3560
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:25,040
in the analytical area and he asked me

3561
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:27,040
he said could you come over and help us

3562
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:29,920
out for a while and i said okay yeah so

3563
02:22:32,550 --> 02:22:31,200
i went over there and worked for a

3564
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:32,560
couple months

3565
02:22:36,389 --> 02:22:33,520
and

3566
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:36,399
they had uh

3567
02:22:41,590 --> 02:22:39,200
well like most companies they had

3568
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:41,600
project reviews you would everybody has

3569
02:22:46,550 --> 02:22:43,600
a turn over the year

3570
02:22:48,710 --> 02:22:46,560
and some guy asked me one of the

3571
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:48,720
scientists there

3572
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:50,800
he found out um he says what are you

3573
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:52,800
doing with this slab ears you know he

3574
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:54,399
found out i had i said well i'm looking

3575
02:22:57,830 --> 02:22:56,800
at ufo-related material

3576
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:57,840
he says

3577
02:23:02,230 --> 02:23:00,000
you know if you gave a project review on

3578
02:23:04,790 --> 02:23:02,240
that he said you wouldn't be have be

3579
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:04,800
half enough to have enough chairs for

3580
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:06,399
all the people to come in we'd have to

3581
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:09,520
open the doors oh no kidding that was a

3582
02:23:14,710 --> 02:23:13,840
comment he made you know wow and so

3583
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:14,720
they

3584
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:18,399
in fact some of the people i worked with

3585
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after they left the our company the

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petroleum company could get

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moved out of town some formed their own

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testing labs

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and uh

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in fact one of the fella

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does my um he's one of the experts in

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the field i see pms technique which he

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does some of the isotopic ratios

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and he's very interested in it though he

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won't uh

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uh

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discuss his name in public he's very

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interesting he runs anything that i

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bring over to him and there's another uh

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one that i just contacted the other day

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on the west coast out in your area

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actually in the san diego area who does

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certain tests that i need

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xrd and so forth

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let me ask you on the next segment

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something about that

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because i'm curious about one thing with

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regard to scientific participation

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yeah phyllis buttinger with gina and

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chris for one more segment you're in the

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[Music]

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this is jacques valley you're listening

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to the paracast

3709
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:57,750
we have phyllis buttinger winner of the

3710
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:00,160
2013 mufon

3711
02:29:04,389 --> 02:29:02,880
ufologist of the year phyllis okay so

3712
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:04,399
you're in touch with these scientists

3713
02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:05,600
who are

3714
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:08,880
basically working on the qt

3715
02:29:13,670 --> 02:29:11,680
is that a big problem we see that there

3716
02:29:15,590 --> 02:29:13,680
may be a lot of potential scientific

3717
02:29:19,110 --> 02:29:15,600
interest but they don't want to be

3718
02:29:21,590 --> 02:29:19,120
publicly linked to the ufo stuff

3719
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:21,600
yeah i can see that

3720
02:29:26,230 --> 02:29:23,840
when i did the dolphos report for

3721
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:26,240
instance i wanted to acknowledge i

3722
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:29,040
everybody that contributed to it

3723
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:30,720
the good thing was everybody said okay

3724
02:29:35,190 --> 02:29:33,040
use my name back you know

3725
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:35,200
but one guy didn't he says no i don't

3726
02:29:39,030 --> 02:29:37,120
want to be connected to this and he was

3727
02:29:41,349 --> 02:29:39,040
about to leave for argonne too a

3728
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:41,359
national laboratory he says no i don't

3729
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:44,240
want my name on it so

3730
02:29:48,309 --> 02:29:46,319
yeah and uh what the interesting thing

3731
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:48,319
is on that though i've had gone to

3732
02:29:52,950 --> 02:29:50,800
meetings and i've had a few people

3733
02:29:53,830 --> 02:29:52,960
scientists come up and ask me

3734
02:29:58,230 --> 02:29:53,840
if

3735
02:30:00,790 --> 02:29:58,240
i wanted them to so

3736
02:30:02,830 --> 02:30:00,800
um but it's on the qt

3737
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:02,840
well do you think that this

3738
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:05,760
this i don't know i guess professional

3739
02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:07,359
um

3740
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:09,760
reticence of getting slimed by this

3741
02:30:14,630 --> 02:30:11,840
subject do you think that this is slowly

3742
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:14,640
changing and that maybe the younger

3743
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:15,920
professionals coming up in the

3744
02:30:20,389 --> 02:30:18,160
scientific community are a little less

3745
02:30:22,469 --> 02:30:20,399
reticent to be associated with this

3746
02:30:24,389 --> 02:30:22,479
subject or do you think this is just i

3747
02:30:26,150 --> 02:30:24,399
think definitely changing it is changing

3748
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,160
good yeah because i would hope this is

3749
02:30:30,710 --> 02:30:28,240
not an you know a predictable

3750
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:30,720
institutional uh problem

3751
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:33,040
yeah yeah well there's more and more

3752
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,319
sightings and

3753
02:30:39,990 --> 02:30:36,720
a lot of this and you go out uh like on

3754
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:40,000
these programs like my doctor he saw a

3755
02:30:44,150 --> 02:30:42,880
ufo and they say hmm you know

3756
02:30:45,990 --> 02:30:44,160
maybe we ought to

3757
02:30:47,590 --> 02:30:46,000
look into this a little bit more you

3758
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:47,600
know but they they don't want to

3759
02:30:51,270 --> 02:30:49,920
jeopardize their position wherever

3760
02:30:53,270 --> 02:30:51,280
they're working

3761
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:53,280
and i can understand that i didn't talk

3762
02:30:57,429 --> 02:30:55,200
too much about it at work but they knew

3763
02:30:59,270 --> 02:30:57,439
i was involved with it but

3764
02:31:01,349 --> 02:30:59,280
but then again i wasn't as actively

3765
02:31:03,590 --> 02:31:01,359
involved i was reading a lot

3766
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:03,600
right and that type of thing so yeah

3767
02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:05,840
getting the background uh where yeah i

3768
02:31:09,190 --> 02:31:07,120
think it's changing you're such a

3769
02:31:12,150 --> 02:31:09,200
sweetheart too i i enjoyed so much

3770
02:31:14,389 --> 02:31:12,160
meeting you um earlier this fall and you

3771
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know you just have you just have a a

3772
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:15,359
very

3773
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kind of effortless way about you and i

3774
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don't see how anybody could

3775
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get mad at you for anything actually

3776
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because you you know you just you're

3777
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such a sweetheart i i'm not you know

3778
02:31:29,270 --> 02:31:27,840
blowing smoke uh here

3779
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i've been wanting to meet you for a long

3780
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:30,960
time and it was a real pleasure finally

3781
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meeting you and i'll tell you i know

3782
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where i'm going to go if i have some

3783
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:38,479
you know quality

3784
02:31:41,510 --> 02:31:40,560
side evidence or trace evidence or you

3785
02:31:43,429 --> 02:31:41,520
know

3786
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:43,439
something that you would be able to uh

3787
02:31:48,070 --> 02:31:46,080
to have some fun with i i would be very

3788
02:31:50,230 --> 02:31:48,080
honored if you would be involved in any

3789
02:31:52,389 --> 02:31:50,240
sort of analytical process

3790
02:31:54,309 --> 02:31:52,399
i'd love to do it it's fun

3791
02:31:56,309 --> 02:31:54,319
it's really fun work it's not boring

3792
02:31:58,070 --> 02:31:56,319
obviously

3793
02:31:59,590 --> 02:31:58,080
well you never know i mean gosh if you

3794
02:32:01,910 --> 02:31:59,600
come up with a

3795
02:32:03,590 --> 02:32:01,920
new isotope of some

3796
02:32:05,990 --> 02:32:03,600
compound or metal or something you could

3797
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:06,000
win the nobel prize well i doubt that

3798
02:32:10,710 --> 02:32:07,920
but well you know what i'm saying i mean

3799
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there's the potential for some amazing

3800
02:32:14,630 --> 02:32:12,560
scientific breakthroughs is it could be

3801
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in the very next uh package coming in

3802
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:17,439
from a site uh investigator you just

3803
02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:20,240
don't know we don't know unless we do

3804
02:32:24,389 --> 02:32:21,920
the work

3805
02:32:26,389 --> 02:32:24,399
and uh my hat's off to you

3806
02:32:28,950 --> 02:32:26,399
uh this has been again i don't say this

3807
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:28,960
very often but this has been one of my

3808
02:32:32,870 --> 02:32:31,280
absolute favorite episodes in the past

3809
02:32:34,150 --> 02:32:32,880
six years seven years of being involved

3810
02:32:35,830 --> 02:32:34,160
with the show

3811
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:35,840
you know i really salute you and your

3812
02:32:40,230 --> 02:32:37,359
courage and you know your

3813
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:40,240
stick-to-itiveness and and be willing to

3814
02:32:44,389 --> 02:32:42,399
become informed about the subject number

3815
02:32:46,230 --> 02:32:44,399
one and then be creative and how to

3816
02:32:47,349 --> 02:32:46,240
apply your particular talents and

3817
02:32:49,190 --> 02:32:47,359
expertise

3818
02:32:51,190 --> 02:32:49,200
to this conundrum anything that we can

3819
02:32:54,230 --> 02:32:51,200
do here at the paracast to aid you in

3820
02:32:55,910 --> 02:32:54,240
that uh you just let us know and um you

3821
02:32:58,710 --> 02:32:55,920
know my hat's off to you phyllis you're

3822
02:33:01,270 --> 02:32:58,720
a real well i can't say unsung hero

3823
02:33:02,630 --> 02:33:01,280
because you won the investigative of the

3824
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:02,640
year award so

3825
02:33:06,710 --> 02:33:04,399
you know keep up the good work and i i

3826
02:33:08,550 --> 02:33:06,720
just hope that uh you have somebody that

3827
02:33:10,950 --> 02:33:08,560
you're uh you have under your wing that

3828
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:10,960
you're you've got somebody to help carry

3829
02:33:14,870 --> 02:33:13,200
on the work too uh once you get to the

3830
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:14,880
point where you're not really

3831
02:33:18,950 --> 02:33:17,120
capable of really doing the work you

3832
02:33:20,309 --> 02:33:18,960
know we're all getting older and you

3833
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:20,319
know we need to get the young people

3834
02:33:23,750 --> 02:33:22,560
involved so this is really important

3835
02:33:26,150 --> 02:33:23,760
okay

3836
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:26,160
now let me ask you as we progress here

3837
02:33:30,870 --> 02:33:28,640
to a final portion of the show and that

3838
02:33:33,110 --> 02:33:30,880
is all right you're not doctrinaire

3839
02:33:35,190 --> 02:33:33,120
about ufo origins you're trying to be

3840
02:33:36,870 --> 02:33:35,200
really fair consider the evidence take

3841
02:33:38,630 --> 02:33:36,880
it where it leads do you think we'll

3842
02:33:40,710 --> 02:33:38,640
ever get to an answer it's been so many

3843
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:40,720
decades and it seems to me as if we

3844
02:33:45,030 --> 02:33:42,319
really haven't made all that much

3845
02:33:47,429 --> 02:33:45,040
progress as much work has been done yeah

3846
02:33:50,469 --> 02:33:47,439
uh i'm pretty sure we'll get to an

3847
02:33:52,630 --> 02:33:50,479
answer of our spacecraft are up there uh

3848
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:52,640
we're discovering and technology is

3849
02:33:57,110 --> 02:33:54,160
going rampant

3850
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:57,120
uh i'm sure it'll come out but i think

3851
02:34:03,030 --> 02:33:58,960
whatever this is

3852
02:34:05,429 --> 02:34:03,040
is controlling this that is uh it won't

3853
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:05,439
come through government or things like

3854
02:34:09,990 --> 02:34:08,080
that it'll come to the people it's uh

3855
02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:10,000
people will become aware

3856
02:34:13,349 --> 02:34:11,760
that they're not living in a bubble that

3857
02:34:16,389 --> 02:34:13,359
there's something out there

3858
02:34:17,590 --> 02:34:16,399
and that presupposes fellas sorry to cut

3859
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:17,600
you short we don't have much time we

3860
02:34:21,910 --> 02:34:18,960
have to keep it true

3861
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:21,920
that presupposes there's an e.t origin

3862
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:23,520
and that's not been proven yet do you

3863
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:25,680
think the government even has anything

3864
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:28,080
more than just more cases rather than

3865
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:31,040
any firm evidence as to what's going on

3866
02:34:34,950 --> 02:34:33,280
uh i think um

3867
02:34:38,309 --> 02:34:34,960
they do

3868
02:34:40,389 --> 02:34:38,319
i've talked to a few military personnel

3869
02:34:42,950 --> 02:34:40,399
and yeah they they have more than

3870
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,960
they're saying so

3871
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:44,720
they probably have

3872
02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:47,040
everything analyzed in that and here i'm

3873
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:48,880
in the grassroots trying to figure it

3874
02:34:53,030 --> 02:34:50,880
out and they probably could tell me

3875
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:53,040
everything and why why the rocks were

3876
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:54,960
dropped and

3877
02:34:58,630 --> 02:34:56,080
why this

3878
02:35:01,429 --> 02:34:58,640
betty hill's dress was messed up and

3879
02:35:03,429 --> 02:35:01,439
all kinds of things so i uh

3880
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:03,439
uh

3881
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:08,309
you you think they know a heck of a lot

3882
02:35:12,870 --> 02:35:10,240
more than we do that's why they're

3883
02:35:16,389 --> 02:35:12,880
probably a heck of a lot more confused

3884
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:16,399
yeah well that could be yeah it could be

3885
02:35:20,469 --> 02:35:17,359
so

3886
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:20,479
there's evidence for this i you know

3887
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:22,880
i have some friends and so forth that

3888
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:24,479
have told me things

3889
02:35:30,070 --> 02:35:25,840
uh

3890
02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:30,080
had a friend here last night who was

3891
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:32,000
dealing with someone in the canadian

3892
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:35,439
military uh was telling me things that

3893
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:36,479
uh

3894
02:35:41,990 --> 02:35:39,040
that they knew and they

3895
02:35:42,790 --> 02:35:42,000
that he wanted to i guess um they wanted

3896
02:35:44,469 --> 02:35:42,800
to

3897
02:35:46,950 --> 02:35:44,479
keep up with this guy

3898
02:35:48,870 --> 02:35:46,960
very closely and he was supposed to tell

3899
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:48,880
him everything he found he had visitors

3900
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:50,000
from the

3901
02:35:58,870 --> 02:35:56,399
black

3902
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:58,880
and another strange visitor that he

3903
02:36:02,630 --> 02:36:00,240
thought could be

3904
02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:02,640
um out of this world but

3905
02:36:05,830 --> 02:36:03,760
uh

3906
02:36:07,750 --> 02:36:05,840
you can hear stories about that so many

3907
02:36:09,590 --> 02:36:07,760
times so wow we're going to have to have

3908
02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:09,600
you back for another episode talk about

3909
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:11,680
these things well i don't think i'm not

3910
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:14,240
going to go into depth because you know

3911
02:36:19,190 --> 02:36:17,920
it's you wonder and i don't know these

3912
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:19,200
some of these people probably don't want

3913
02:36:22,469 --> 02:36:21,040
to want to talk about it do you ever

3914
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,479
think maybe these people are making up

3915
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:24,880
stories just for your benefit

3916
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:26,160
some are

3917
02:36:30,630 --> 02:36:27,920
uh and i've caught

3918
02:36:32,710 --> 02:36:30,640
some of them you know but but

3919
02:36:34,790 --> 02:36:32,720
a lot of them aren't and a lot of them

3920
02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:34,800
they won't tell anybody else

3921
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:38,000
normally especially abductive

3922
02:36:40,950 --> 02:36:39,600
they won't tell anybody but when they

3923
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:40,960
find out what i mean they'll stop

3924
02:36:44,550 --> 02:36:42,560
telling me stories

3925
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:44,560
i don't pass it on so they know they

3926
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:47,359
trust me so isn't that what we always

3927
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:49,280
hear unfortunately

3928
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:51,359
we get that close some tantalizing

3929
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:53,920
tidbit of information is conveyed we try

3930
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:56,479
to follow it through

3931
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:58,399
that just never seems to

3932
02:37:02,150 --> 02:37:00,560
happen yeah phyllis buttinger please

3933
02:37:03,830 --> 02:37:02,160
tell our listeners if they want more

3934
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:03,840
information about what you do you have a

3935
02:37:09,990 --> 02:37:06,319
site or somewhere we can go no i don't i

3936
02:37:12,950 --> 02:37:10,000
try to keep a low profile that's why

3937
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:12,960
no i don't have a a site i should do

3938
02:37:17,510 --> 02:37:15,359
that though because i would like to post

3939
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:17,520
all the reports on one site and that

3940
02:37:20,950 --> 02:37:18,720
should be

3941
02:37:22,150 --> 02:37:20,960
archived somewhere john greenwald has

3942
02:37:24,150 --> 02:37:22,160
some of it

3943
02:37:25,510 --> 02:37:24,160
um well how about if we get one of our

3944
02:37:27,190 --> 02:37:25,520
our wonderful

3945
02:37:29,349 --> 02:37:27,200
family members here at the paracast to

3946
02:37:31,270 --> 02:37:29,359
help you out we have some real good web

3947
02:37:32,710 --> 02:37:31,280
people

3948
02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:32,720
well

3949
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:35,200
okay i could think about that yeah okay

3950
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:37,760
okay let me wrap it up okay so if you

3951
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:39,680
think you can help phyllis budding girl

3952
02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:42,880
or you wish to contact her contact us

3953
02:37:47,110 --> 02:37:44,800
on the power cast we have those contact

3954
02:37:49,429 --> 02:37:47,120
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3955
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:49,439
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3956
02:37:54,870 --> 02:37:52,640
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3957
02:37:56,790 --> 02:37:54,880
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3958
02:37:58,870 --> 02:37:56,800
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3959
02:38:01,830 --> 02:37:58,880
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3961
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:04,160
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3962
02:38:08,469 --> 02:38:06,399
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02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:08,479
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3972
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:29,520
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02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:32,720
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3975
02:38:40,710 --> 02:38:39,280
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02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,720
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3977
02:38:45,590 --> 02:38:42,960
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3978
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:45,600
joining us this week on the powercast

3979
02:38:56,309 --> 02:38:47,040
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02:39:05,110 --> 02:39:02,080
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